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Re: Vazduhoplovi

Post od zuzazu » 19 Okt 2021, 16:20

Sve sa mobilnim u ruci, da se napravi neki selfi :kuku:

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Re: Vazduhoplovi

Post od Geza » 20 Okt 2021, 07:09

Driftovao u dolasku.

Najgore je svađati se sa budalom. Prvo te spusti na svoj nivo, a onda te dotuče iskustvom...
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Post od zuzazu » 20 Okt 2021, 14:40

Maksimalan crab bi trebao da bude 13 stepeni koliko moze da istrpi trap, a de-krabuje se pre dodira piste.
Ovde je sve po protokolu, sem de-kraba koji je uradio kada je dotakao podlogu, a ne pre toga.
Jednog dana ce tako da skenja trap, ili ce drugoj posadi da uvali nacet avion.

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Re: Vazduhoplovi

Post od Harvey Specter » 29 Okt 2021, 18:37

Da li bi trebalo u ovakvim situacijama da se flaps-ovi spuste do maksimuma kako bi putnici lakse skliznuli, jel mi se ovo cini prilicno visoko od zemlje da se skoci?
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Re: Vazduhoplovi

Post od ljuba » 29 Okt 2021, 19:09

Imaš tu priču na linku koji sam okačio (crveno označeno:) )
nema prtljaga!

Kada se avion evakuiše, putnici su u obavezi da ostave svoj ručni prtljag. Na ovim slikama od danas, ali i u prethodnim incidentima nakon prinudnih sletanja ili incidenata drugde u svetu, vidi se da putnici i dalje izlaze iz letelice sa kolicima i torbama.

Evakuaciju odlažu putnici koji otvaraju kante iznad glave da zgrabe svoj ručni prtljag u hitnim slučajevima. Njime mogu da povrede druge putnike, ali i da blokiraju put za bekstvo.

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Na snimcima se vidi da neki od putnika izlaze iz letelice kroz izlaze u slučaju nužde iznad krila. Na Tviteru stručnjaci primećuju da nisu korišćeni zakrilci tzv. Zakrilci, ili zakrilci, pomažu avionu da uspori bez gubitka prevelike visine pri prilasku i sletanju. U slučaju evakuacije, moraju se koristiti i kao tobogan za stanare koji beže. Da li su ovde napravljene greške mora da postane očigledno tokom istrage Holandskog odbora za bezbednost i Transavie.

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Re: Vazduhoplovi

Post od Harvey Specter » 29 Okt 2021, 20:13

ljuba je napisao:
29 Okt 2021, 19:09
Imaš tu priču na linku koji sam okačio (crveno označeno:) )
E hvala, izvinjavam se, tek sada sam primetio da ima i link. Ono sto mozemo zakljuciti po ova poslednja 2 incidenta, da su evakucije odradjene prilicno traljavo, suprotno precedurama i da je dobro sto su ovo bili da kazemo manji probleme, pa nema zrtava. Strasno :censored:

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Post od zuzazu » 29 Okt 2021, 22:21

Kada se radi evakuacija, flaps bi trebao da bude izvucen na maksimalnu vrednost (40). Tako je po EVACUATION check list.
E, sada, istu tu check listu, kapetan moze da modifikuje ako smatra da je to u cilju bezbednosti.
U konkretnom slucaju, treba reci da B737 nema senzore pozara kada je trap izvucen, sto znaci da im je verovatno toranj (ili drugi avion) javio da im gori trap.
Kada se radi evakuacija, kompanijska procedura moze da kaze da:

- kapetan navede posadi koje emergency izlaze da koriste (recimo, u ovom slucaju je mogao da im kaze da ne koriste overwing exit zbog pozara trapa, cime bi bilo opravdano sto nije izvukao flaps)

- kapetan ostavi posadi po nahodjenju koji ce izlaz da koriste, a koji ne (recimo, avion je pod nagibom i jedan od izlaza je blokiran vodom/blatom).

Ovde je ocigledno da je u pitanju opcija dva, pri cemu kabinska posada koja je vrsila evakuaciju nije bila svesna da nesto ispod krila gori.

Dobro su i prosli jer je vise povredjenih moglo da bude u ovom klizanju niz flaps, nego od pozara kocnica.

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Re: Vazduhoplovi

Post od Harvey Specter » 30 Okt 2021, 12:29

zuzazu je napisao:
29 Okt 2021, 22:21
Dobro su i prosli jer je vise povredjenih moglo da bude u ovom klizanju niz flaps, nego od pozara kocnica.
Apsolutno, a i ono sto se vidi da putnici oklevaju, namestaju se, nisu sigurni kako da se spuste, pa samim tim se usporava evakuacija, sto moze da bude fatalno da je bila neka ozbiljnija situacija.

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Post od Harvey Specter » 30 Okt 2021, 18:19

Accident: Corendon Europe B738 enroute on Oct 1st 2021, multiple passengers collapsed in flight

A Corendon Airlines Europe Boeing 737-800, registration 9H-TJE performing flight XR-1050 from Cologne (Germany) to Rhodes (Greece) with 180 people on board, was climbing out of Cologne nearing the top of climb when a young woman entered the aft lavatory. The aircraft had just levelled off at FL370 near Ingolstadt (Germany) when the lavatory door opened and the woman fell out of the lavatory unconscious. While passengers in the aft rows began to react, another male passenger in one of the aft seat rows (seat number known to the editor) collapsed and became unconscious. A doctor and a nurse on board, travelling as passengers, began to provide first aid to the two patients when three more passengers collapsed one after the other and also needed medical attention. After some time, obviously after the cabin air conditioning had been reconfigured, the passengers began to recover. The flight continued to Rhodes for a landing without further incident about 2:50 hours after departure from Cologne.

The aircraft remained on the ground in Rhodes for 85 minutes, then performed the return flight and has remained in service since.

The Aviation Herald learned about the occurrence on Oct 29th 2021 and received documents in which the crew as well as the doctor providing first aid reported the occurrence.

The crew (signatures by the captain and the purser) confirmed in one case that the patient was pale and unconscious then started to slowly recover. The onboard medical kit has been used.

The doctor (with his signature) stated in the same case, that the patient was unconscious for about 20-30 minutes then slowly recovered after treatment. The onboard first aid/medical kit has been used.

A passenger reported there had been a strong odour of exhaust gasses on board of the aircraft prior to departure. Following departure the young female had entered the aft lavatory shortly after the fasten seat belt signs had been extinguished and subsequently fell out of the lavatory completely pale, unconscious and trembling from head to foot when the lavatory door opened for unknown reasons. While cabin crew and surrounding passengers began to react, another male passenger in the aft seat rows collapsed and became unconscious. A doctor and a nurse began to provide first aid, the doctor asked for a defibrillator, however, none was available. Three more passengers became unconscious within the next couple of minutes. It then appeared that the cabin air conditioning was changed, all five collapsed passengers began to recover.

Another passenger reported independently that after about 30 minutes into the flight five passengers throughout the cabin collapsed in about 10 minute intervals and partly came to lay in the aisle. Cabin crew became overwhelmed and requested the flight crew to divert, the flight however continued to destination.

A third passenger confirmed the affected patients were on the ground in the aisle.

The airline reported: "Only 4 passengers felt unwell. Cabin Crew immediately took necessary actions for those 4 passengers in compliance with Cabin First Aid Procedure during flight. A doctor and a nurse were on the aircraft and made promptly medical intervention to the passengers feeling unwell but they could not found any serious symptoms. The doctor did not recommend the crew to divert and he did not use aircraft medical kit which was made available for him during his assistance. We also would like to inform you that after the relevant occurrence; maintenance records, recorded parameters of subject flight thru FDM (flight data monitoring), and crew reports etc. have been analyzed by our maintenance and safety departments and no abnormal parameter which might cause the occurrence has been found. On the return flight of same aircraft from Rhodes to Cologne (CXI-1051) with 184 pax, no similar complaint has been received. Kindly note that a report of the occurrence was notified to the Civil Aviation Authority of Malta."

Germany's BFU reported on Oct 29th 2021, that they have no knowledge about the occurrence, no such report was received between end of September and mid of October.

The Aviation Herald also sent e-mail inquiries to Malta's Civil Aviation Directorate and Greece's AAIASB, no replies have yet been received.
http://avherald.com/h?article=4ef5e19a

Da li je u ovom slucaju trebalo da se prekine let i divert-uje odmah, s obzirom da se iz teksta vidi da jedan putnik bio bez svesti 20-30 minuta, a jos par njih se onesvestilo. I sta bi mogao da bude uzrok, da li su usli neki gasovi iz sistema ili pak je do samih putnika, ali bas ovoliko njih.

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Re: Vazduhoplovi

Post od zuzazu » 30 Okt 2021, 22:56

Zanimljivo…

“ After some time, obviously after the cabin air conditioning had been reconfigured”

Nista pod milim bogom, u pilotskoj kabini ne moze da se uradi da bi se kabinski vazduh “rekonfigurisao”. Moze da se greje i da se hladi.

Svakako da je alarmantan ovoliki broj putnika kojima se slosilo, ali izuzev zdrave logike, ne postoji odredjena procedura za ovakvu situaciju.

Corendon Europe je deo turskog Corendona, a to je tesko kaubojska firma gde je najbitnije po svaku cenu sleteti tamo gde si krenuo, inace ce sef iz Antalije da pedalira za najmanju sitnicu.

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Re: Vazduhoplovi

Post od Harvey Specter » 01 Nov 2021, 19:29

Malo je ocesao pistu repom :ccc:


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Re: Vazduhoplovi

Post od zuzazu » 01 Nov 2021, 23:33

cozmo je napisao:
02 Okt 2021, 10:43
zuzazu je napisao:
01 Okt 2021, 22:33
Harvey Specter je napisao:
01 Okt 2021, 19:59
interesantno, a sad koliko se secam mislim da je @zuzazu cim su ih prizemljili pisao da su avioni prodati. Ali mi generalno nije jasno u koje ce svrhe Kinezi upotrebljavati te aviona, za sta im trebaju. U svakom slucaju su mogli neki poslednji let da organizuju za sve ljubitelje. Ocigledno da od toga nema nista. :(
Avioni idu u neki skolski centar gde ce biti grundirani za vjek i vjekova. Skolarci ce se upoznavati sa kokpitom (i retro instrumentima), a momci koji uce za mehose ce kopati po njima.
Niko ne zna da li su u opste prodati, ili poklonjeni, ili trampljeni za medicinski materijal.
Dosta 737 se prelece iz Evrope u Kinu, ovako po komad, ne znam da li je razlog isti.
YU-AND ostaje i najverovatnije ide u Muzej.
Kao sto sam vec pisao - jedan je tek odradio C check i ima dosta ciklusa, taj je izgleda prodat za 400K, a ovaj drugi je prodat za 200K USD

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Re: Vazduhoplovi

Post od Harvey Specter » 02 Nov 2021, 13:25

Da li to praktično znači da je 737 mogao bez problema da izgura ovu letnju sezoni i da nije bilo potrebe da se iznajmljuje Smartwingsov avion ili su pak Kinezi platili C check sada da se uradi?

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Re: Vazduhoplovi

Post od zuzazu » 02 Nov 2021, 14:48

To je uradjeno pre letnje sezone i ova dva aviona su ‘ladno mogla da izguraju sve carter letove.

Normalno, o nasem trosku.

Neko savrseno dobro radi da se omasti o proviziju za lizovanje ceskih aviona.

Ova drzava je nevidjena krava muzara.

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