Čišćenje EGR ventila na JTD/CR TDI/PD TDI/HDi/CDTi motorima
Čišćenje EGR ventila na JTD/CR TDI/PD TDI/HDi/CDTi motorima
Posto sam ovo vec dva puta radio na dve alfe, mislim da moze biti izuzetno korisno da podelim sa ostalima.
Kao sto mnogi znaju ovo je verovatno i najcesci kvar koji se desava kolima sa ovim motorom koji uzrokuje velike probleme u voznji. Simptomi mogu biti poprilicno raznovrsni a obicno ukljucuju nagle gubitke snage tokom voznje, povremena trzanja, crn dim iz auspuha i sl. U principu cini mi se da nema nekog striktnog pravila kada je izrazenije, nekome pravi vise problema kad je motor hladan, nekom kad je vruc, nekom stalno pravi problem a nekom samo povremeno...
Sve u svemu, posao nije komplikovan i kada ga radite prvi put zahteva oko 2 sata, drugi put mozete sve zavrsiti i za recimo sat.
Evo odlicnog uputstva, koje naravno nisam ja pravio, ali mislim da je zaista sjajno:
Nekoliko stvari bih jos dodatno napomenu. Prvo, u uputstvu je naglaseno da pazite da vam ne spadnu dihtunzi kada odvajate ventil od ostatka, ja bih jos jednom ponovio JAKO PAZITE!!! Medjutim, sto je najzanimljivije tih dihtunga i nema na svim kolima, tj na 147 ima, dok su na 159 malo redizajnirali tacke spajanja pa dihtunga uopste nema.
Zatim kada skinete ventil, probajte sto pazljivije da srafcigerom ocistite ulaz na motoru i to tako da sva garez ispada napolje, a ne u usisnu granu (ovo ce biti tesko).
Kada izbijate solenoid iz ventila, ne plasite se da opalite momacki, pa makar i polomili okolnu plastiku, nije problem, lako cete to zalepiti trpanjem gomile lepila.
Takodje bih napomenuo, da licno smatram, da vam je potpuno svejedno dal kupili novi EGR ili ocistili stari, tj nema nikakve garancije da ce novi duze funkcionisati od ociscenog starog. Jednostavno kad ga rastavite i shvatite u cemu je problem znacete o cemu pricam, kada ga sredite bice ko nov.
I za kraj, kada sve namontirate i pokusate da upalite auto ne ocajavajte ako nece iz prve da upali (mislim da je ovo zbog one cadji koja upadne u motor tokom ciscenja ulaza u motor). Budite uporni u verglanju i dodajte gas, na kraju ce upaliti (ja sam se bas naverglao, sam poceo da verglam delovalo je kao da nikad nece upaliti totalno onako prazan zvuk, a onda polako povremeno se cuje kako detonira, pocinje sve vise da se trese i na kraju upali). Ukoliko bude problema sa paljenjem auto ce na pocetku dimiti ko nenormalan, drzite gas svo to vreme, kako vreme protice izduv ce biti sve cistiji, kad se ocisti auto je spreman za voznju
Ova prosta operacije popravke je u stanju da potpuno preporodi auto i mislim da nema razloga da se za ovo tera auto kod majsotra. Odnosno svakom ljubitelju auta i majstorisanja ce cela ova operacija biti poprilicno zabavna
Kao sto mnogi znaju ovo je verovatno i najcesci kvar koji se desava kolima sa ovim motorom koji uzrokuje velike probleme u voznji. Simptomi mogu biti poprilicno raznovrsni a obicno ukljucuju nagle gubitke snage tokom voznje, povremena trzanja, crn dim iz auspuha i sl. U principu cini mi se da nema nekog striktnog pravila kada je izrazenije, nekome pravi vise problema kad je motor hladan, nekom kad je vruc, nekom stalno pravi problem a nekom samo povremeno...
Sve u svemu, posao nije komplikovan i kada ga radite prvi put zahteva oko 2 sata, drugi put mozete sve zavrsiti i za recimo sat.
Evo odlicnog uputstva, koje naravno nisam ja pravio, ali mislim da je zaista sjajno:
Nekoliko stvari bih jos dodatno napomenu. Prvo, u uputstvu je naglaseno da pazite da vam ne spadnu dihtunzi kada odvajate ventil od ostatka, ja bih jos jednom ponovio JAKO PAZITE!!! Medjutim, sto je najzanimljivije tih dihtunga i nema na svim kolima, tj na 147 ima, dok su na 159 malo redizajnirali tacke spajanja pa dihtunga uopste nema.
Zatim kada skinete ventil, probajte sto pazljivije da srafcigerom ocistite ulaz na motoru i to tako da sva garez ispada napolje, a ne u usisnu granu (ovo ce biti tesko).
Kada izbijate solenoid iz ventila, ne plasite se da opalite momacki, pa makar i polomili okolnu plastiku, nije problem, lako cete to zalepiti trpanjem gomile lepila.
Takodje bih napomenuo, da licno smatram, da vam je potpuno svejedno dal kupili novi EGR ili ocistili stari, tj nema nikakve garancije da ce novi duze funkcionisati od ociscenog starog. Jednostavno kad ga rastavite i shvatite u cemu je problem znacete o cemu pricam, kada ga sredite bice ko nov.
I za kraj, kada sve namontirate i pokusate da upalite auto ne ocajavajte ako nece iz prve da upali (mislim da je ovo zbog one cadji koja upadne u motor tokom ciscenja ulaza u motor). Budite uporni u verglanju i dodajte gas, na kraju ce upaliti (ja sam se bas naverglao, sam poceo da verglam delovalo je kao da nikad nece upaliti totalno onako prazan zvuk, a onda polako povremeno se cuje kako detonira, pocinje sve vise da se trese i na kraju upali). Ukoliko bude problema sa paljenjem auto ce na pocetku dimiti ko nenormalan, drzite gas svo to vreme, kako vreme protice izduv ce biti sve cistiji, kad se ocisti auto je spreman za voznju
Ova prosta operacije popravke je u stanju da potpuno preporodi auto i mislim da nema razloga da se za ovo tera auto kod majsotra. Odnosno svakom ljubitelju auta i majstorisanja ce cela ova operacija biti poprilicno zabavna
Re: Ciscenje EGR ventila na 1.9JTD motorima.
A evo kako to da uradite na opelu (bez tog dela o izbijanju solenoida) plus MAP senzor
http://www.vxronline.co.uk/forum/showth ... st-Sensor-(1.9CDTI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
A evo i sa solenoidom:
http://www.astraownersnetwork.co.uk/sho ... -just-soot
http://www.vxronline.co.uk/forum/showth ... st-Sensor-(1.9CDTI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
A evo i sa solenoidom:
http://www.astraownersnetwork.co.uk/sho ... -just-soot
Re: Ciscenje EGR ventila na 1.9JTD motorima.
Lazo, nije mi jasno samo sta on busi na solenoidu? I posle ostaje rupica?
Re: Ciscenje EGR ventila na 1.9JTD motorima.
U principu taj solenoid je pravljen da se nikad ne rastavlja i sastavljen je tako sto je srednji deo bukvalno na silu nabijen u spoljasnji.
Kako bi ga izbio napolje logicno moras ga necim udariti otpozadi. E da bi ga mogao udariti odpozadi moras probusiti tu rupicu kako bi tu gurno srafciger i po njemu udario (srafciger se kroz rupu prisloni na srednji deo).
Rupica se na kraju napuni lepilom kako bi se zatvorila. U principu ne smeta ni ako nije bas dobro zatvorena, bitno je samo da opruga ne moze da ispadne kroz nju.
Kako bi ga izbio napolje logicno moras ga necim udariti otpozadi. E da bi ga mogao udariti odpozadi moras probusiti tu rupicu kako bi tu gurno srafciger i po njemu udario (srafciger se kroz rupu prisloni na srednji deo).
Rupica se na kraju napuni lepilom kako bi se zatvorila. U principu ne smeta ni ako nije bas dobro zatvorena, bitno je samo da opruga ne moze da ispadne kroz nju.
Re: Ciscenje EGR ventila na 1.9JTD motorima.
pretpostavio, al bolje da pitam
Re: Ciscenje EGR ventila na 1.9JTD motorima.
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Imao sam isti problem na nekih 80.000km.
Nije bilo dima iz auspuha ali zato dok je bio hladan nikako nije primao gas a onda posle nekog vremena kao da probije neki cep pa ide normalno dok se motor opet potuno ne ohladi.
U pocetku se desavalo redje a kasnije sve cesce pa se i aktiviriala check engine lampica.
Citao sam po forumima i zakljucio da je to u pitanju ali nisam hteo da se zahebavam zato sto sam imao garanciju pa je ugradjen novi o njihovom trosku.
Inace evo i video tutoriala kako se skida kod 147ice...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1go_PUmx0WE
Imao sam isti problem na nekih 80.000km.
Nije bilo dima iz auspuha ali zato dok je bio hladan nikako nije primao gas a onda posle nekog vremena kao da probije neki cep pa ide normalno dok se motor opet potuno ne ohladi.
U pocetku se desavalo redje a kasnije sve cesce pa se i aktiviriala check engine lampica.
Citao sam po forumima i zakljucio da je to u pitanju ali nisam hteo da se zahebavam zato sto sam imao garanciju pa je ugradjen novi o njihovom trosku.
Inace evo i video tutoriala kako se skida kod 147ice...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1go_PUmx0WE
Re: Ciscenje EGR ventila na 1.9JTD motorima.
Jel postoji neki link za Tdi motor ili je sve to slicno?
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Re: Ciscenje EGR ventila na 1.9JTD motorima.
@Gezo, ovo sto si postavio je za CR VW motore.
Na PD i Bosch TDI je drugacije. Cisto da znaju ljudi, dosta lakse.
@Nemanja, kod tebe imas 2 srafa na usisnoj i 2 na izduvnoj grani. Vrlo prosto se skida, samo pazi da ne izgubis dihtung.
Na PD i Bosch TDI je drugacije. Cisto da znaju ljudi, dosta lakse.
@Nemanja, kod tebe imas 2 srafa na usisnoj i 2 na izduvnoj grani. Vrlo prosto se skida, samo pazi da ne izgubis dihtung.
Re: Ciscenje EGR ventila na 1.9JTD motorima.
Ispravljeno.
Ako nađeš (ili neko drugi) slobodno postavi/te.
Ako nađeš (ili neko drugi) slobodno postavi/te.
Najgore je svađati se sa budalom. Prvo te spusti na svoj nivo, a onda te dotuče iskustvom...
Re: Ciscenje EGR ventila na 1.9JTD motorima.
Aj nek neko od moderatora malo promeni naziv teme, da ne pise vise striktno za JTD motore nego generalno (posto je dodato za jos par tipova). Tj moze da doda u naziv i cdti TDI...
Re: Čišćenje EGR ventila na JTD/CR TDI/PD TDI/HDi/CDTi motor
@ Gezo Hvala ti na linku.
@ Dag, hvala ti na savetu, reci mi samo jel osim dihtunga mogu jos nesto da u*erem, posto nikad kod motora nista, osim filtera i ulja, cackao?
@ Dag, hvala ti na savetu, reci mi samo jel osim dihtunga mogu jos nesto da u*erem, posto nikad kod motora nista, osim filtera i ulja, cackao?
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Re: Čišćenje EGR ventila na JTD/CR TDI/PD TDI/HDi/CDTi motor
Ma jok. Jedino kad budes vracao pazi da ne izgubis maticu, ne zeznes navoj.
Salim se, nema nista sto mozes uproprastiti, prost je to EGR ventil najobicniji vakumski.
Ovi noviji za euro 4 motore i za benzince su elektronski, tu vec mozes da zeznes stogod, ako puno cackas a ne znas sta.
Salim se, nema nista sto mozes uproprastiti, prost je to EGR ventil najobicniji vakumski.
Ovi noviji za euro 4 motore i za benzince su elektronski, tu vec mozes da zeznes stogod, ako puno cackas a ne znas sta.
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Re: Čišćenje EGR ventila na JTD/CR TDI/PD TDI/HDi/CDTi motor
Evo ga C/P postupka za Renault Laguna 2 1.9 dCi
preuzeto sa renaultforums.co.uk
The aim of this thread is to hopefully give you enough information to remove, clean and re-install the EGR Valve on a 1.9dCi Engine.
My Car:- Renault Laguna 1.9dCi Dynamique 120Bhp
Difficulty:- **
Time:- 1-3 Hrs
Items Required:-
- Ratchet Set
- Medium flatblade screwdriver
- Large flatblade screwdriver
- Pick / Scribe
- Carb cleaner
- Gloves
- Overalls / Old Clothes
- Rags
- Old / New tootbrush
Time is subject to how stubborn the EGR is to get out and also how long you spend cleaning it up.
Before we start the information that follows is a narrative of how i went about cleaning my EGR and should you wish to use it its completley your own discretion and responsibilty.
Ok lets get to it start by disconnecting the negative terminal from the battery.
Then remove the plastic engine covers secured in place by 3 bolts place to one side.
TIP:- Place the bolts back on the threads and finger tight them reducing the risk of misplacing them.
OK now thats out the way locate the black tubing on the right hand side of the engine going into the inlet manifold.
slacken off the jubilee clip enough to remove the pipe off the butterfly body move it out the way as best you can to give you room to get at the EGR.
There she is that cylindrical looking thing with the white clip and wires coming out of it
to remove the wiring clip using the picture for orientation on the top right hand side of the connector you should see the securing clip lift that up andf then pull the connector off.
Ok get the ratchet ready and remove the 3 retaining bolts which secure the EGR once removed you
should be able to freely pull away the solenoid portion of the EGR if it dosn't come straight away give it a wiggle.
NOTE:- My picture shows my solenoid covered in oil as opposed to carbon build up this is due to the
fact i only had my EGR out about 4 weeks ago for cleaning and yes it was covered in carbon build up
this recent photo only taken this morning is due to the fact my turbo blew up on sunday.
Ok so using the carb cleaner spray the solenoid and leave to soak in whilst that is soaking in
turn to the other portion of the EGR still inset into the inlet manifold.
Using a Medium flatblade screwdriver gently manipulate it between the inlet manifold and the EGR
and start to gently jimmy the EGR out
As the Medium blade runs out of leverage i upped it toa larger blade and continued the EGR slowly progressing out of the inlet manifold i did use a hammer aswell to help it on its way by placing the screwdriver at angle and gentley tapping it out when the EGR got about half way out then got my mitts round it wriggled it it out the rest of the way.
NOTE:- It will be coated in soot and carbon build up and will be quite stubborn to get out mine certinly was when i did mine but that was 4 weeks ago when i pulled it out to clean it just keep slowly leavering it out and spray some Carb clean on it to try and help it on its way.
Also note in the picture the metal gasket i found it was re usable providing you did not damage it on removal.
Give it a good coating of Carb cleaner to soak in and start cleaning the solenoid portion.
Use the Pick and scribe to get rid off largq build ups of carbon and use a rags and a stiff bristled toothbrush to clean some of the lighter build ups.
when you are satisfied you have cleaned both parts of the EGR up spray the inlet manifold where the EGR slots into with the carb cleaner as that will be pretty caked up in there aswell using your toothbrush and rags.
Installation
All of the opposite of which you have just done
Place gasket over EGR and slot back into inlet manifold offer up solenoid portion and hold in place while you re-insert the 3 retaining bolts finger tight then get your ratchet to tighten them off 5 white knuckles did it for me but your call.
Reconnect wiring clip
Connect black tube to inlet manifold butterly housing
Re tighten jubilee clip
Refit plastic engine covers
Re-connect negative terminal on battery
Ensure you have all your tools and none are left in the engine area
Fire it up!
NOTE:- You may have to get car connected to a VAG com to remove the error code as a result of carrying out this job but the car still drives i didnt bother with mine.
It might be worth noting while you are working on the EGR to check out the inlet outlet pipes and airbox pipes going to the Turbo checking
the pipes and the surrounding areas for any oil that shouldnt be there as mine started getting the hessitation upon accelerating which led me to
clean the EGR out guess what 4 weeks later and one blown turbo i did start to get the tell tale signs just wasnt expecting that to happen so definatly check for signs of your turbo goin and listen out for signs it may be going.
Well i hope this helps
If you got any questions or feel i have missed something out drop me a message and ill update
Otherwise
Enjoy
preuzeto sa renaultforums.co.uk
The aim of this thread is to hopefully give you enough information to remove, clean and re-install the EGR Valve on a 1.9dCi Engine.
My Car:- Renault Laguna 1.9dCi Dynamique 120Bhp
Difficulty:- **
Time:- 1-3 Hrs
Items Required:-
- Ratchet Set
- Medium flatblade screwdriver
- Large flatblade screwdriver
- Pick / Scribe
- Carb cleaner
- Gloves
- Overalls / Old Clothes
- Rags
- Old / New tootbrush
Time is subject to how stubborn the EGR is to get out and also how long you spend cleaning it up.
Before we start the information that follows is a narrative of how i went about cleaning my EGR and should you wish to use it its completley your own discretion and responsibilty.
Ok lets get to it start by disconnecting the negative terminal from the battery.
Then remove the plastic engine covers secured in place by 3 bolts place to one side.
TIP:- Place the bolts back on the threads and finger tight them reducing the risk of misplacing them.
OK now thats out the way locate the black tubing on the right hand side of the engine going into the inlet manifold.
slacken off the jubilee clip enough to remove the pipe off the butterfly body move it out the way as best you can to give you room to get at the EGR.
There she is that cylindrical looking thing with the white clip and wires coming out of it
to remove the wiring clip using the picture for orientation on the top right hand side of the connector you should see the securing clip lift that up andf then pull the connector off.
Ok get the ratchet ready and remove the 3 retaining bolts which secure the EGR once removed you
should be able to freely pull away the solenoid portion of the EGR if it dosn't come straight away give it a wiggle.
NOTE:- My picture shows my solenoid covered in oil as opposed to carbon build up this is due to the
fact i only had my EGR out about 4 weeks ago for cleaning and yes it was covered in carbon build up
this recent photo only taken this morning is due to the fact my turbo blew up on sunday.
Ok so using the carb cleaner spray the solenoid and leave to soak in whilst that is soaking in
turn to the other portion of the EGR still inset into the inlet manifold.
Using a Medium flatblade screwdriver gently manipulate it between the inlet manifold and the EGR
and start to gently jimmy the EGR out
As the Medium blade runs out of leverage i upped it toa larger blade and continued the EGR slowly progressing out of the inlet manifold i did use a hammer aswell to help it on its way by placing the screwdriver at angle and gentley tapping it out when the EGR got about half way out then got my mitts round it wriggled it it out the rest of the way.
NOTE:- It will be coated in soot and carbon build up and will be quite stubborn to get out mine certinly was when i did mine but that was 4 weeks ago when i pulled it out to clean it just keep slowly leavering it out and spray some Carb clean on it to try and help it on its way.
Also note in the picture the metal gasket i found it was re usable providing you did not damage it on removal.
Give it a good coating of Carb cleaner to soak in and start cleaning the solenoid portion.
Use the Pick and scribe to get rid off largq build ups of carbon and use a rags and a stiff bristled toothbrush to clean some of the lighter build ups.
when you are satisfied you have cleaned both parts of the EGR up spray the inlet manifold where the EGR slots into with the carb cleaner as that will be pretty caked up in there aswell using your toothbrush and rags.
Installation
All of the opposite of which you have just done
Place gasket over EGR and slot back into inlet manifold offer up solenoid portion and hold in place while you re-insert the 3 retaining bolts finger tight then get your ratchet to tighten them off 5 white knuckles did it for me but your call.
Reconnect wiring clip
Connect black tube to inlet manifold butterly housing
Re tighten jubilee clip
Refit plastic engine covers
Re-connect negative terminal on battery
Ensure you have all your tools and none are left in the engine area
Fire it up!
NOTE:- You may have to get car connected to a VAG com to remove the error code as a result of carrying out this job but the car still drives i didnt bother with mine.
It might be worth noting while you are working on the EGR to check out the inlet outlet pipes and airbox pipes going to the Turbo checking
the pipes and the surrounding areas for any oil that shouldnt be there as mine started getting the hessitation upon accelerating which led me to
clean the EGR out guess what 4 weeks later and one blown turbo i did start to get the tell tale signs just wasnt expecting that to happen so definatly check for signs of your turbo goin and listen out for signs it may be going.
Well i hope this helps
If you got any questions or feel i have missed something out drop me a message and ill update
Otherwise
Enjoy