Nissan Qashqai 1.3 DIG-T DCT 160 vs Škoda Karoq 1.5 TSI DSG7 150

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Re: Nissan Qashqai 1.3 DIG-T DCT 160 vs Škoda Karoq 1.5 TSI DSG7 150

Post od gazza » 22 Dec 2019, 00:12

nikada pod pretnjom pistolja u glavu ne bi uzeo skoda SUV. vidi se da ih pravi asketska firma koja se trudi da izmeni imidz. tvrdo neudobno i nezanimljivo za voznju od pocetka do kraja. a sto se mene tice bojkotovacu ih zauvek sto su auto kao sto je YETI izbacili iz proizvodnje i uveli ove kopije drugih modela VAG grupe.

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Re: Nissan Qashqai 1.3 DIG-T DCT 160 vs Škoda Karoq 1.5 TSI DSG7 150

Post od Vladapetr » 22 Dec 2019, 00:25

Tvrdo i neudobno? Važi
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those who understand binary and others who don't.

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Post od trojanac » 22 Dec 2019, 00:28

meidling je napisao:
21 Dec 2019, 16:09
Nemački ADAC je pisao negde da neki proizvođači računaju zapreminu do plafona a neki čak i onaj deo ispod gde se nalazi rezervni tocak

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Svakako, zavisi koji standard ko prmenjuje, ali većinom danas svi mere po VDA standardu.

VDA: Equal-sized litre containers to the top of the seat
For a long time car manufacturers have agreed that for customers to accurately compare their products they should use a standard method to measure certain attributes. Unfortunately two measurement practices are being used for luggage space.

The VDA standard was originally published by the German Association of the Automotive Industry (Verband der Automobilindustrie, VDA). It was later incorporated into the international ISO standards and is part of the German standard DIN (Deutsche Institut für Normung). Not only a favourite for German brands, the VDA method also tends to be the approach taken by many other European, Japanese and Korean manufacturers too.

Calculating the volume of the boot space is done by literally filling it with one-litre blocks measuring 200mm x 50mm x 100mm. The amount of those blocks that can fit inside the boot at one time is the VDA number. As you might imagine it’s like an oversized puzzle with different stacking configurations likely to affect the outcome, so perfecting the loading technique is vital.

For hatchback cars or SUVs which have a more open luggage area, compared to the fully enclosed boot of a sedan, there are sometimes a few different luggage capacity numbers quoted in a single brochure. Typically they would be the volume of the luggage area up to the top of the rear seat, the volume up to this height with the rear seats folded down and the “maximum cargo volume” which is with seats folded down and loaded to the roof.

But, beware when doing your car comparisons because there’s another volume measuring method in use called the SAE standard.

SAE: Standardised luggage set of different-sized items
The SAE standard has been around for more than 40 years and was devised by the US-based Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE). It won’t be a surprise to hear that companies that design and manufacture cars in the Americas tend towards this technique.

For closed luggage areas like a sedan boot the SAE method also simulates packing with boxes. However, the boxes used represent differently sized luggage pieces from a 67 litre suit case to a 5.6 litre shoebox. There’s even a solid equivalent of a golf bag.

For open luggage areas SAE volumes move from the proven loaded volumes to an estimation of volume called a Cargo Volume Index. The luggage space is calculated by multiplying the height, width and length dimensions between specific points in the load space which are dependent on the vehicle body style (hatch, wagon, SUV etc).

These two recognised standards will rarely (if ever) give the same result. So how do we know that we’re comparing apples with apples when choosing a new car?

In some cases the luggage volume will be clearly described as “L (VDA)”, sometimes scouring through the specification fine print will clarify the measurement technique as either SAE or VDA.

Some manufacturers don’t offer the answer at all and leave us guessing, while some helpfully quote both figures. The main thing is that if luggage space is the deciding factor in your next car purchase, remember that when it comes to boot volume, things aren’t always as they first seem.
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Post od trojanac » 22 Dec 2019, 00:39

meidling je napisao:
21 Dec 2019, 15:50
@trojanac
Kako je izračunata zapremina prtljažnika?Do krova ili do poklopca ?Na šta se odnose ovi podaci?

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Za Karoq nisam našao tako slikovito ali ne sumnjam da je isti način merenja. Prtljažnik kod Karoqa je duži i mnogo dublji. A čak je i polica višlje postavljena. što se vidi i na slici. Tu je razlika od tih stotinak litara.
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Post od dragan » 22 Dec 2019, 01:01

sebekkg je napisao:Ne znam za tsi ali sam pre neko vece probao qq sa tim motorom i tom opremom. Meni kao dugogodisnjem vozacu vag vozila smeta prelagan volan. Nemam nikakvog otpora. Motor bas lepo vuce i tu nema zamerke. Ovaj je bio na zimskim devetesticama i moram priznati da mi trap nije zvucao komapktno vec je bio bucan na par neravnina na putu. Ovo pricam o relaciji mercator - fdu i nazad.

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Kod nisana otpor moze da se poveca/pojaca, kako god, ja ga uvek vozim u tom pojacanom modu, ali da se razumemo to je samo pojacan otpor dok vrtis volan. Da izuzmem clio rs, i fokus 2 obican je imao manjo otpor volana ali si vise imao utisak sta se desava pod tockovima. I sad da ne udjemo u slepu ulicu, prvo nisan ima visi profil gume u odnosu na karok a pogotovo u odnosu na fokus i donekle je ocekivano da nema feedback, a sa druge vidi se da je starija platforma i da ima prostora da se sledeca generacija poboljsa u tom smeru.
Gepek cu da premerim i uporedim sa sivikom posto nemam i karok u garazi, cisto da nadjemo tih 50-60l razlike u merama.
Ali svakako motor je najbolji deo tog auta, taj 1.3b. Ovaj novi dizel 1.7 je razocarenje, bucan je, vibrira, nije stedisa ni u kaskaiju ni u kadjaru.
Bukvalno se svelo na to da koga zadovoljava slabi 1.5dci uzece dizel, koga ne uzece taj novi benzinac.
Stvarno sjajan motor, u civilnim verzijama ide za sad do 180ks, u nekim serijama i do 320nm u kliju 5 ( to mu dodje u specificnoj snazi kao 2l sa 300ks i 480nm, ovo prvo su jos uvek sportski modeli hh a ovaj specifican momenat imaju amg modeli trenutno... )Nije ni cudo sto pokrece bar 15-20 modela 5-6 proizvodjaca. Odlican motor.

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Post od trojanac » 22 Dec 2019, 01:17

nikaragva je napisao:
21 Dec 2019, 22:29
Nisam znao da su krosoveri najprodavaniji segment.
Gezo daj neku listu :)
Krosover se naziva i Compact SUV ili CUV, teško je tu napraviti jasnu granicu. Tako da i ovde vidimo SUV kao najprodavaniji, mada zavisi od izvora. Uglavnom SUV i CUV vladaju.

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Post od trojanac » 22 Dec 2019, 01:20

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