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Renault-VW talks on a cheap electric vehicle have collapsed

Last November, Renault revealed the prototype of the next-generation Twingo, which it aims to bring to the market in 2026.

A month later, Volkswagen started discussions with the French company, which were at a very early stage and one of the goals is for the two companies to produce around 200,000 to 250,000 such electric cars, with a price below 20,000 euros .

But today it became known that the companies failed to agree after several months of negotiations, and the German company withdrew from the talks. The breakdown in negotiations means VW may now have to go it alone in developing its own affordable car. For its part, Renault will continue to design its own electric Twingo, scheduled for release in 2026.

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Fiat Topolinos seized at the port of Livorno: "They are not Italian"
https://www.repubblica.it/economia/2024 ... -P12-S2-T1



Topolinos produced in Morocco stopped at customs : "They are not Italian, they cannot display the tricolor on the side, they violate the law." This is a huge seizure of Topolino and Topolino Dolcevita by the Guardia di Finanza and the Customs and Monopolies Agency. A total of 134 vehicles, electric and which can be driven by those aged fourteen and up because they are quadricycles. The reason for the operation? On the sides they had stickers with the Italian flag, which is why the soldiers of the yellow flames and the officials of the state body challenged Stellantis, the Italian-French company, for the fallacious indication of the origin of the product . It was not "made in Italy", but manufactured in Morocco and arrived in Tuscany on a freight ship. The news was reported by Il Tirreno

The stop occurred in Livorno, the port of access for cars imported into Italy, and there would also be a suspect. The seizure took place on Wednesday 15 May. The crime in question is the sale of industrial products with false signs, for which the prosecutor of Stellantis Europa spa is under investigation. The seals were arranged pursuant to article 4, paragraph 49, of the Financial Law of 2004 - 24 December 2003 number 350 - which provides that «importation and exportation for marketing purposes or the marketing or commission of acts rights in a non-unique manner to the marketing of products bearing false and misleading indications of provenance or origin" constitutes a crime, in this case the sale of industrial products with false signs, punished by article 517 of the penal code.

The same law for which the Minister of Business and Made in Italy, Adolfo Urso, contested the name of Milan for the small SUV of the Casa del Biscione produced in Poland in the Tychy plant by the CEO of Alfa Romeo, Philippeprendito. . So much so that Alfa then had to change the name of the car to Junior, following the presentation in Milan. Now the tricolor flags on the doors have been deemed by the prosecutor's office - through the work of the financial police and the Customs and Monopolies Agency - to be misleading signs for the final consumer, who, seeing the stickers, would be deemed to identify Italy as a country of vehicle productions, actually made in Morocco. The cars are now in judicial storage at the "Leonardo Da Vinci" terminals and at Cilp, the port workers' company, where they disembarked. They will remain in custody - as reported by Il Tirreno - until their eventual release is arranged. There are, in total, 119 Fiat Topolinos and 15 Fiat Topolino Dolcevitas.

Stellantis, a group whose main shareholder is Exor which also controls Repubblica , "believes, with respect to the fact that a small sticker bearing the colors of the Italian flag affixed to the doors could constitute a false indication of the origin of the goods, that it has operated in full compliance with the regulations, communicating in a transparent way the country of production of the Topolino, without any deceptive intent towards consumers. In any case, to resolve each issue it was decided to intervene on the seized vehicles with the removal of the small stickers subject to authorization from the authorities" . Not only. Stellantis adds that “the sticker in question had the sole purpose of indicating the entrepreneurial origin of the product. In fact, the design of the new Topolino, which has been a historic car for Fiat since 1936, was conceived and developed in Turin by a team of professionals from the FIAT Style Center of Stellantis Europe SpA, an Italian company. Furthermore, since the presentation of the new model, the company has always been clear in declaring that it is manufactured in Morocco"

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2025 Nissan Murano

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KIA PV5

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Izuzetno me iritira kada neko uspostavi neki trend i onda ga cela auto industrija kopira. Da li danas svaki jebeni auto mora da ima prednju svetlosnu grupu u dva reda, spojena zadnja svetla, unutra sve na touch…?

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Hyundai Inster Cross

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Lični stav utisak, kako već za koji se nadam da je pogrešan...

Pošto sam počeo intezivnije da pratim dogadjanja koliko sam prikupio saznanja iz zapadnih medija pre svega nemačkih VW, GM i Nissan imaju u Kini pad prodaje od 60-70% manje SUS vozila kako koja firma 2024 prema 2021 godini.
A u Kini su prodavali aute po takvim cenama da su imali extra profite u milijardama, tržište gutalo šta god da se ponudi.

VW konkretno oko 3 miliona vozila manje prodaje, tj toliko je proizvodni višak sada.
Uglavnom se odnosi na SUS vozila pošto VW praktično i nema EV tj toliko su nekonurentni na kineskom tržištu sa udelom tek 5-6% u odnosu na tih 3 miliona manje SUS.

Slično je i sa GM koji još postoji što se tiče prodaje a Nissan je praktično ugasio, istorija u Kini.....putanja kao nekada koprcanje Zastave Kragujevac tokom 2000tih.

Tako da nije baš osnovni problem što je slabija prodaja EV jer naprotiv ona raste, u Kini je eksplodirala prodaja EV ali ne i prodaja VW.

VW je zatvorio ove godine 6 fabrika već (najviše u Šangaju i okolini), u najavi je zatvaranje još 3 nove u Nemačkoj i 1 u Belgiji (kupili je Kinezi, već gotova stvar čeka se formalna dozvola EU birokratije).

Ali, ono što se ovih dana valja iza brega je krupnije, koncern BASF koji je veliki dobavljač auto industrije planira zatavaranje nemačkih operacija i preseljenje u inostranstvo.

A Tysen Krupp je defacto bez mogućnosti da dalje samostalno opstane, tj nemačka gubi industriju čelika.

Bez hemijske i čelične industrije mnogo više je u igri od ipak ograničenog uticaja VWa.

Sve se nadam da je san i da ne neki vic, da se plasiraju pogrešne informacije po nemačkim medijima, da nije baš dotle došlo jer ovaj "pad sa litice" (kako nazivaju zadnjih mesec dva razvoj dogadjaja sa VW sami Nemci) može lepo da se završi. To znamo iz našeg i sličnih dogadjaja po istočnoj Evropri kada je tranzicija započeta.

VW objavio da u Nemačkoj plaća radnike 63 evra po radnom satu (bruto) i da je to iznos koji mora da se smanji da bi dalje proizvodnja mogla da se odvija. Barem javno VW važio decenijama za nemačku firmu sa tradicionalno najvećim platama u Nemačkoj za datu poziciju radnog mesta.

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KOliko lupetanja na jednom mestu............

1. VW i Kina, tu pricu ce prosto zatvoriti. Fabrike po Kini ce biti zatvorene, prodavace vozila mnogo skuplje nego do sada i opet ce kupovati (u manjem broju). VW (globalni modeli) su premijum vozila u Kini. Ono sto ce nestati su specificni modeli za kinesko trziste samo. I to je ok. I dalje ista prica oko toga kako je EV tehnoloski napredak i kako su Kinezi pametni sto kupuju EV. Ne, EV odgovara njihovoj vladi jer 1) agenda na koju svrsavaju zapadni kriticari 2) kontrola populacije kao nastavak sistema totalnog nadzora. EV u USA i EU se tesko prima, a da ne pricam o ostatku sveta koji nema uslove za EV. Ljudi nece EV. To je bilo zanimljivo dok ih je bilo malo pa punjenje bilo dzabe i subvencije bile po 10-15K eur, nema poreza, besplatno parkiranje, voznja BUS trakama i sl. NIsta od toga vise nema, ljudi nece da placaju nekom drugom auto i niko nece da baci pare na nesto cemu je cela vrednost u bateriji za koju ne znas kada ce crci. Kinezi neka stancuju EV i neka ih voze. Da, nije malo trziste, ali ga treba posmatrati kao zatvoreno i ici da lukuzom i prestizom. Kao sto su to vec u BMW i Mercedesu ukapirali, pala je prodaja ali i dalje prodaju vozila za masne pare.
Sto se tice samih fabrika u Nemackoj, najavili zatvaranje 3 zatvorice jednu, mozda, dogovorice se za cenu rada. Naravno da su sada bombasticki naslovi i lupetanje ciframa, svakako da postoji problem ali je daleko manji nego sto to novinari pisu, a gospoda iz VW sindikata dramoseraju.

2. Za BASF lupetanje
https://www.basf.com/global/en/media/ne ... 0/p-24-303
https://www.basf.com/global/en/media/ne ... 9/p-24-281
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/compani ... r-AA1tdeEW
Cuo neko za BASF pa ajde da lupimo da napusta Nemacku.......pateticno

3. Za gubljenje celicana lupetanje. cela prica sa Thyssenkrupp je eto je EU komisija zabranila jointventrure izmedju Thyssenkrupp i TATA Steel. Pa se zalili, pa opet visi CJEU potvrdio da ne moze. Naravno da se nasao novi finansijer (Ceski milijarder koji vec ima 20% i planira jos 30% da kupi) i naravno to pravi "spansku seriju" medju top menadzerima ko ce kojem carstvu da se pokloni, kako da sprece/dozvole i sl. Naravno, iznosenje prljavog vesa i dramoseranje u medijima prati to i dezurni pljuvaci zapada odmah salve o propasti. Veci problem je tu sama Nemacka drzava i njihov program "zeleni celik" na koji su upucali brdo para, ali to je neka druga prica.

Dakle, problem postoji i naravno da ce biti resen. Nemacka auto-industrija je tokom polovine 70-tih, kompletnih 80-tih, i dela 90-tih bila pred bankrotom. Imali su 15-tak godina mirnih voda, pa se to sada menja.