Emisije CO2 i NOx
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Ko to povecava? Osim ovoga sa Alfom, niko. Svi ubacuju manje motore.
Nisam ja rekao DPF vec "katalizator/taj filter" valjda NOx trap posto mu ne znam ime. On je u direktnoj vezi izmedju temperature izduvnih gasova i emisije NOx.
U pravu si ti sa proces sagorevanja (siromasna smesa=visi EGT i obrnuto) ja nisam na to mislio vec sta je VW radio kada gasovi izadju napolje. U tom "katalizator/taj filter NOx trap-u" treba dodatno gorivo da eliminise NOx. E tu su oni stedeli. Ili da se uradi kao sto je to uradio Mercedes na primer, dodas ureu.
Nisam ja rekao DPF vec "katalizator/taj filter" valjda NOx trap posto mu ne znam ime. On je u direktnoj vezi izmedju temperature izduvnih gasova i emisije NOx.
U pravu si ti sa proces sagorevanja (siromasna smesa=visi EGT i obrnuto) ja nisam na to mislio vec sta je VW radio kada gasovi izadju napolje. U tom "katalizator/taj filter NOx trap-u" treba dodatno gorivo da eliminise NOx. E tu su oni stedeli. Ili da se uradi kao sto je to uradio Mercedes na primer, dodas ureu.
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Nisam se dovoljno informisao oko tog aditiva, znam da neka kola imaju AdBlue. Nemam takav auto pa me nije ni zanimalo, ali mislio sam da ima neke veze sa DPF, ne sa katalizatorom. U tom smislu ima logike, ali onda im ne treba EGR ako mogu da odstrane na taj način azotne okside.
edit: nije bilo teško naći, AdBlue se ušpricava nakon DPF i odstranjivanje NOx se dešava u filteru iza:

Zanimljivo pitanje je da li onda EGR gubi smisao?
edit: nije bilo teško naći, AdBlue se ušpricava nakon DPF i odstranjivanje NOx se dešava u filteru iza:

Zanimljivo pitanje je da li onda EGR gubi smisao?
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To je moguce da je na testu snaga daleko manja od deklarisane.nidza napisao:Nagađam, ali meni se čini vrlo prosto. Snagu motora i potrošnju svaki vozač može da primeti, osteti, eventualno izmeri, a emisiju NO2 niko. U test modu smanje količinu vazduha i goriva, spuste temperaturu u cilindru i drastično smanje emisju NO2 i CO2. Verovatno se ne meri nikad u režimu kad je potrebna maksimalna snaga motora, te su u momentu testiranja bili uskraćeni za taj podatak.
Druga opcija je da su svi ispod žita lobirali, potplaćivali testne kuće. Nemci su najveći lobisti u privrednom svetu, najviše potplaćuju, što znači da muljaju i varaju više od svih. Svi ti testovi i sve statistike pouzdanosti su jako upitne kad su oni u pitanju. Gde god neko zagrebe malo da proverava naćiće nešto. Mislim čak da svi sve znaju (ko treba da zna) i da su sad u svetlu ataka na EU svim dozvoljenim sredstvima, pre svega ekonomskim, krenuli jednom po jednom granatom po sred srede, tj. u Nemačku. Poslednjih nekoliko godina pritisak ne prestaje, čim se jedna stvar utiša novi udar sledi.
Sasvim je izvesno da su i drugi u problemu. Pod istragom je i Bimer i Reno koliko sam video. Biće zanimljivo što se tiče evropskih proizvođača.
Prijaviću ovu moju poruku da prebace moderatori u NO2/CO2 temu kad je već imamo, ne treba ovde da bude.
Na proveri su sada manje vise svi, najvise se spekulise da su Volvo, Hyundai i Reno.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... tests.html
Za BMW su najcudnije vesti koje stizu.
Ovi koji su provalili VW su testirali i BMW i ustanovili da je sve vise nego u redu. Takodje sa vise izvora (a i ovog gore), dolazi da je sve OK, a opet pre par dana je u nekom casopisu izaslo da je i BMW izmereno 10x vise NOx, akcije im odmah pale 10%. No izgleda za sada da je bila buva, te ce ako jeste buva taj casopis dobiti tuzbu...
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A Tesla trlja ruke 

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Treba videti koliko NOx izbacuju oni dizel generatori kojima napajaju super chargere u Americi 

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Ako je američka firma u pitanju, neće sigurno biti bilo kakvih problema, koliko god da zagađuju.
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Treba videti koliko noxa izbacuju prekookeanski brodovi sto trose tone sirove nafte na sat vremena i bez ikakvih filtera.
Takodje treba videti koliki je ekoloski otisak pravljenja baterija, izuzetno prljava tehnologija.
Evo kako to izgleda...

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Fotka podseca na Fallout 

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Ivane, prso ti je VW, deal with it 

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Iako nisam fan VW, i za ovo mučkanje si zaslužuju da jih oderape pošteno, nešto mi ovde smrdi ( i ne nije to TDI
), a druga stvar je, da li je neko pomislio šta sledi naprimer u najcrnijem scenariju kraha VW, koliki je to udarac za EU ekonomiju? Da sigurno bi i na Srbiju utecalo, na SLO znam da bi sigurno.

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Bosch allegedly gave Volkswagen diesel engine software for testing, but VW used it on production car
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/v ... 25485.html
One of VWs own engineers warned the company in 2011
German weekly newspaper Bild am Sonntag is reporting Bosch was in charge of providing Volkswagen the problematic software, but only for testing purposes.
Although Bosch is believed to be responsible for creating this software, they only developed it for testing purposes, but in the end VW decided to use it on their production cars. Back in 2007, Bosch cautioned Volkswagen that it would be illegal to use the engine management software on production cars, but VAG ignored the warning and installed the software anyway and now there are around 11 million cars all over the world with the so-called "defeat device."
According to Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung's Sunday edition, another warning came in 2011 from one of Volkswagen's own engineers, but once again without any success as VW continued to install it on their TDI engines powering several models of the core brand, but also from Audi, SEAT and Skoda.
Initially, only the 2.0 TDI was part of the investigation, but now the 1.6 TDI is also being analyzed and there are suspicions concerning the 1.2 TDI as well. Moreover, EPA has recently started a new investigation concerning the larger 3.0-liter TDI powering mid- to full-size models from VAG, so Porsche is likely in trouble as well.
Source: bild.de and faz.net
http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/v ... 25485.html
One of VWs own engineers warned the company in 2011
German weekly newspaper Bild am Sonntag is reporting Bosch was in charge of providing Volkswagen the problematic software, but only for testing purposes.
Although Bosch is believed to be responsible for creating this software, they only developed it for testing purposes, but in the end VW decided to use it on their production cars. Back in 2007, Bosch cautioned Volkswagen that it would be illegal to use the engine management software on production cars, but VAG ignored the warning and installed the software anyway and now there are around 11 million cars all over the world with the so-called "defeat device."
According to Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung's Sunday edition, another warning came in 2011 from one of Volkswagen's own engineers, but once again without any success as VW continued to install it on their TDI engines powering several models of the core brand, but also from Audi, SEAT and Skoda.
Initially, only the 2.0 TDI was part of the investigation, but now the 1.6 TDI is also being analyzed and there are suspicions concerning the 1.2 TDI as well. Moreover, EPA has recently started a new investigation concerning the larger 3.0-liter TDI powering mid- to full-size models from VAG, so Porsche is likely in trouble as well.
Source: bild.de and faz.net
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Some Mercedes, BMW and Peugeot models consuming around 50% more fuel than official results, new study reveals
http://www.transportenvironment.org/pre ... -new-study


http://www.transportenvironment.org/pre ... -new-study


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To je ono sto svako ko je ikada seo za volan zna, da kola trose vise nego na zvanicnom testu.
Neka promene test a ne da prave bombasticne naslove bez razloga.
Neka promene test a ne da prave bombasticne naslove bez razloga.
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300 € uštede po vozilu, puta par miliona. Na kraju se dođe do milijardi.
Bild am Sonntag said the roots of the crisis were planted in 2005 when then-VW brand chief Wolfgang Bernhard wanted VW to develop a new diesel engine for the U.S. market. Bernhard recruited Audi engineer Rudolf Krebs who developed a prototype that performed well in tests in South Africa in 2006, the paper said.
Bernhard and Krebs argued that the only way to make the engine meet U.S. emission standards was to employ in the engine system an AdBlue urea solution used on larger diesel models such as the Passat and Touareg, according to the report.
This would have added a cost of 300 euros ($335 in today’s U.S. dollars) per vehicle — a sum that VW finance officials said was too much at a time when a companywide cost-cutting exercise was under way.
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