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Kao i dizel sto je bio dzabe, pa kada je pola automobila postali dizel, opa Maro, al si ga oparo.
Ja sam rekao, sada se to forsira i snizavaju se takse, ali polako ce sa vecim brojem automobila(za sada je to pisljivih 1-2 stotine hiljada godisnje, u odnosu na ko zna koliko miliona SUS motora) i drzave smisliti nacine da se opare, a ja se samo bojim da ne skoci cena struje, pa onda da nas sve zivo vise kosta, pa da taj elektro automobil ne izadje skuplje od SUS.

Budimo realni, aktuelne Tesle su luksuz, ne realna potreba. Deo hajpa, nove kulture. Nekako je logično da ih oporezuju kao luksuzno dobro.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJp8TOZLBU

Svratio juce kod Tesla dilera dok sam se setao kroz grad. Model 3 ocekuju da dodje u salon polovinom 2018 a kod prvih kupaca krajem 2018. Inace prodavac je vrlo ljubazno zeleo da mi pokazuje slike sa interneta na sta sam rekao hvala i ja imam internet Model. X ima zaista funkcionalan i prostran enterijer, ali zavrsna obrada - prvenstveno u sedistima i panelima nije bas na nivou cene. Ali vizuelno / funkcionalno / ulopljeno mi se kokopit vise svidja nego npr. u novoj E klasi.

Jel će to biti zamena za Golfa?

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Dal si realan? Ovaj auto uopste NEMA kokpit/tablu. Golf dvojka ima ljepsi enterijer.
Tvoj Golf GTE je unutra svemirski brod za ovo sranje. Sta ovi, nabace monitor unutra i hajmo vozi (kao sto bi rekao onaj u filmu).



P.s. nego i kad bi zanemarili izgled, opet dodjes do toga da nije prakticno i da je jako nebezbjedno. A mnogi ovdje mrze otiske prstiju na sjajnoj crnoj plastici, kako bi pizdili zbog otisaka na monitoru? I sta kad se pokvari monitor, ne mozes svijetla upaliti, klimu ugasiti i slicno?
I Tesla S enterijer mi je prazan, fali tu dugmadi, ali ovo je katastrofa. Volvo S90, Audi A8 D5, Lucid Air, nek se ugledaju na njih ako vec hoce touch screen in your face.
Nazalost vjerovatno ce mnogi krenuti tim putem velikog ekrana na dodir, raja voli a i jeftinije je.

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auto.blog.rs/blog/auto/vesti/2017/08/25/tesla-kamion-stize-u-septembru-imace-domet-do-500-kilometara



Kamion sa manjim dometom nego moja Astra. Super. Pogotovo americke kamiondzije ima da budu odusevljene

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B92: Nemci u šoku: Vratio Teslu, ne može ni 300km http://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/svet.php?y ... id=1297706

Ne zna se ko je tu lud.

Pa ne moze u Nemackoj gde je putna brzina na autoputu 160-180

A nisu konkurenti...

German carmakers must challenge Tesla, Merkel aide says
http://europe.autonews.com/article/2017 ... -aide-says

German automakers must invest more in electric vehicles and take on U.S. EV maker Tesla, Chancellor Angela Merkel's chief of staff, Peter Altmaier, said.

Altmaier said he was thoroughly disappointed by German auto executives following the diesel-emissions scandal and that he was also thinking about the future of the 600,000 employees in the industry.

"When is our automobile industry, which is so good, actually going to be in a position to build a car that travels 50 kilometers further than a Tesla and costs 10,000 euros less?" Altmaier said at a public forum in Berlin on Saturday. "It must be possible to set this as a goal."

He referred to Tesla cars costing $100,000 with a range of 400 kilometers (250 miles). Tesla’s Germany website shows a Model X Tesla with a range of as much as 417 kilometers selling for 91,250 euros ($109,000). Tesla has added a more affordable vehicle, the Model 3 sedan, which starts at $35,000 and began delivery in July.

"If the automobile industry doesn’t grasp the fact that it has to invest more in electric vehicles, especially in cities, then it will be very hard to defend combustion engines -- gasoline and diesel -- over the long term," Altmaier said. "We must do all we can now, so that the best electric cars are built in Germany."

German election

In the wake of Volkswagen Group's emissions cheating, the future of diesel cars is a campaign issue in Germany's national election on Sept. 24. Merkel and her main opponent, Social Democrat Martin Schulz, have criticized auto executives for jeopardizing the industry's future, while saying they want to avoid driving bans that courts are considering in response to pollution complaints.

VW, Daimler and BMW reached a deal with the government this month to upgrade 5 million newer diesel cars and offer trade-in incentives on older models, but this hasn't eliminated concern about emission levels.

Car buyers have been slow to purchase all-electric models due to concerns about how far the vehicles can travel on a fully charged battery, prices and the time needed to recharge. Merkel conceded in May that Germany won't meet her goal of having 1 million electric autos on the country's roads by 2020.

Among German manufacturers, only BMW currently offers an EV, the i3, that isn't based on a combustion-engine car. Daimler's Mercedes-Benz brand and VW outlined plans a year ago to produce all-new battery-only models by the end of the decade to challenge Tesla.

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Fantastično ako je tako mala degradacija baterije. Tome je verovatno doprinelo sporo punjenje (preko noći iz standardne mreže) i sporo pražnjenje (auto se koristi kao taksi, stalno u gradu).

Sumnjiva je ta "popravka" baterije, mozda je tu pala zamena...
Iznenadjujuce je da baterija ne degradira mnogo vise jer svi znamo kako baterije degradiraju a Tesla koristi relativno staru tehnologiju baterija za laptopove.

Evo jedna od diskusija https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/co ... h=a40a0e03:

To pull some figures from that study, for a 60% depth of discharge and a very high 2C charge rate (50% faster than a Supercharger charges the Tesla) gives 88% capacity after 3000 cycles. 3000 cycles of 60% discharge, with 6% capacity loss (average of 0-12% capacity loss over those cycles), off a pessimistic range of 200 miles per charge, gives 338,400 miles of range before hitting 88% capacity. Discharging to a higher depth of discharge might reduce this number, but charging it slower than 2C should increase it.

Sto je oko 3000 (ciklusa) * 250 km (60% praznjenja) = (minimum) 500.000km za 88% ostane...

Pa baterija najbolje i radi u tim ciklusima kojima se koristi Tesla.