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[methane.master]

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[Geza]

Russia Grounds Its Newest Airliner Over Safety Concerns
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/24/busin ... .html?_r=0



A Sukhoi Superjet 100 taking off at a Paris air show in June 2011. A regional carrier in Russia, IrAero, reported finding metal fatigue in a tail section of a new Sukhoi Superjet, the latest setback for the plane.

MOSCOW — Russian aviation authorities have grounded the country’s fleet of its newest model of civilian airliner, the Sukhoi Superjet 100. Metal fatigue, a problem usually associated with older airplanes, was discovered in the tail section of a new Sukhoi plane, the Russian regulator Rosaviatsia said Friday.

The grounding was the latest setback for the Russian jet, which has already had a rough introduction.

The plane model is important as a test of whether Russia’s military aerospace prowess can translate into a successful civilian product. The manufacturer, Sukhoi, is best known as the maker of military jets now flying over Syria.

Most other Russian-made civilian jets, once a workhorse fleet of wide- and narrow-body planes, are flown only by regional airlines, and the aging planes are plagued by safety problems.

After the latest announcement, the Russian national airline Aeroflot, a major Sukhoi customer, on Saturday canceled 21 flights scheduled on domestic routes during the busy holiday season.

Rosaviatsia ordered the planes grounded pending inspections after a regional carrier, IrAero, reported finding metal fatigue in a component in the tail wings of one plane, according to Regnum, a nongovernmental Russian news agency.

The agency grounded the fleet to determine whether similar problems were appearing in other planes, most of which have been flying for only a few years.

Sukhoi said in a statement that it inspecting the entire fleet “to support airworthiness of the civilian Sukhoi planes.” The defect “of one element of the tail portion” could not cause a crash, but “all the same airlines must check this model of aircraft,” the company said.

Aeroflot said in a statement that flights on Sukhoi jets had been canceled for “technical reasons.”

Although Aeroflot is Russia’s national flag carrier, it has been a reluctant customer of Russia’s domestic airplane manufacturers. It has instead tried to solidify its reputation with customers at home and abroad by flying mostly Boeing and Airbus planes.

But amid Russia’s political tensions with the West, the company has come under political pressure to support domestic manufacturers. As of March, Aeroflot had 29 Sukhoi planes.

Aeroflot has also ordered 50 planes of a new midrange Russian model still under development, the Irkut MS-21, which is made by United Aircraft Corporation, also a Russian company.

Safety concerns with the Superjet, Russia’s first post-Soviet passenger plane, emerged soon after its introduction in 2008. Embarrassingly, dozens of employees at the Sukhoi plant in Siberia were discovered to have faked their university engineering diplomas.

Then, in 2012, a Superjet crashed into a mountain in Indonesia during a sales demonstration flight carrying 37 aviation executives and journalists, and eight crew members, killing all aboard. An investigation cited pilot error.

Aeroflot says the plane is now safe. While the grounding was a setback for the model, it also indicated vigilance by Russian aviation regulators. It came just days after European regulators certified a long-range version of the Sukhoi Superjet for flights in the European Union.

The plane is made in a joint venture with European aerospace suppliers, including Thales, a French avionics company, and Safran, an engine maker.

[klisko]

Zemlje bivseg CCCP imaju vazduhoplovnu kulturu jednaku NULI. Katastrofalni su u svemu, ... do pilota.

Ovo mogu da potvrdim. Strašno je kad dođeš iz provoda u hotel u tri ujutro i vidiš pilote kako uništavaju votku u hotelskom baru, a znaš da za par sati treba da letiš s njima. Starije kolege su umele da kažu da Ukrajinci ne umeju da lete trezni

[maxer]

... Embarrassingly, dozens of employees at the Sukhoi plant in Siberia were discovered to have faked their university engineering diplomas. ...

Ja bi ove oterao na duuugogodišnju robiju. Gde budale nađoše da se zaposle baš u izgradnji aviona ... strašno!

[snork]

Priču sa lažnim diplomama su plasirali zapadni izvori, u vreme kada se spremala serijska proizvodnja Su Superjet 100. Tako da bih je uzeo sa rezervom. Malo posle toga je jedan Superjet 100 pao u Indoneziji tokom demonstracionog leta. Od tada se o ovom avionu slabo piše, a većina stranih narudžbina nije realizovana.

Ako sam dobro razumeo, ovaj nesrećni Tu-154 je u Soči sleteo po gorivo. U pitanju je primerak proizveden 1983. godine, varijanta Tu-154B-2. Troši skoro duplo više goriva od novije varijante Tu-154M. Po Wikipediji, prvi ima max. dolet 3900, a drugi 6600 km. Ne znam koji ih je đavo terao da na dug let šalju ovaj tip aviona. Sigurno da su od tih vojno-državnih mogli za ovu svrhu naći neki Tu-154M, Il-62M ili čak Il-86 ili Il-96.

Kad je reč o ponašanju pilota u SSSR-u, ovaj udes mi je posebno zanimljiv: Tu-134A, 20. oktobar 1986. Let: Sverdlovsk (današnji Jekaterinburg) - Kujbišev (današnja Samara) - Grozni. Prilikom sletanja u Kujbišev, pilot se kladio sa kopilotom da će uspeti da sleti bez vizuelnog kontakta, sa zastorima na prozorima. Epilog: avion završio okrenut na leđa, 70 mrtvih, 24 preživela. Pilot osuđen na 15 godina zatvora, pušten posle 6. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_6502

[maxer]

Horor priča

Istinita verzija ove naše umetničke varijante:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCIdeRIrVsg

[delano]

... Embarrassingly, dozens of employees at the Sukhoi plant in Siberia were discovered to have faked their university engineering diplomas. ...

Ja bi ove oterao na duuugogodišnju robiju. Gde budale nađoše da se zaposle baš u izgradnji aviona ... strašno!

Da li je moguce da neko veruje u ovo Mislim nista nije nemoguce, ali ipak radi se o pravljenju aviona, da inzenjeri nemaju znanja nego su falsifikovali diplome, verovatno ne bi ni bilo proizvodnje istog.

[maxer]

Pa ne prave/konstruišu avion 5 čoveka, ni 10 ... ma ni 20, već ko zna koliko njih (40-50 ...), pa što da ne bi moglo biti verovatno da se među njima našla i takva "pametna glava" ... da se sada ne upuštamo u "šta se sve može".
Imati lažnu diplomu - ne znači niužno i "pao si s kruške" već samo "nisi sve prošao regularno" ... bar sam ja tako shvatio dotična lica.

Naravno, možda je i čista izmišljotina.

[nmaric1993]

Pa pre ce biti da je ta brojka 400-500...
A vrlo moguce da ima takvih... Kao sto ima i ovih sa pravim diplomama sto nemaju veze sa vezom...
Ali timski rad ima prednosti POgotovu za takve

[methane.master]

Priču sa lažnim diplomama su plasirali zapadni izvori, u vreme kada se spremala serijska proizvodnja Su Superjet 100. Tako da bih je uzeo sa rezervom. Malo posle toga je jedan Superjet 100 pao u Indoneziji tokom demonstracionog leta. Od tada se o ovom avionu slabo piše, a većina stranih narudžbina nije realizovana.

Evo i ja ću da budem zapadni izvor. Lažnih diploma u Rusiji ima koliko hoćeš, svih struka. Podatak iz prve ruke.

[maxer]

Isti pilot, isti avion, 2011. god. ... tada je uspeo da ga spusti, jedva:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKcXkUYqT4g

Pilot palog aviona izbegao sličnu tragediju 2011.

Pilot ruskog aviona koji se srušio u Crno more je 2011. godine izbegao sličnu tragediju na istom tipu aviona, Tu-154.
Izvor: B92 nedelja, 25.12.2016. | 13:25

Ministarstvo odbrane Rusije je saopštilo da je avionom koji je trebalo da odleti iz Sočija u Siriju upravljao pilot sa velikim iskustvom Roman Volkov.

Dodaje se i da je on bio pilot prve klase sa oko 3.500 sati leta.

Letelica koja se srušila je proizvedena 1983. godine i imala je oko 7.000 sati naleta. Poslednji remont je obavljen 29. decembra 2014. godine, a septembra ove godine avion je prošao tehnički pregled po planu.

Avionu koji je 2011. godine umalo pao, posle poletanja je otkazao sistem za upravljanje, ali je Volkov uspeo da letelicu prizemlji.


Ovaj avion očito ima neki konstrukcioni propust, koji se tokom vremena ispolji ali neverovatno je da to nisu uspeli da otklone

Rekoše na Radio Beogradu 1 da je za zadnjih 20 god. palo 17 ovih aviona i u smrt odnelo preko 1000 ljudi.

[McGruja]

Deluje kao da je vrhunski pilot

[maxer]

Bio ... Bog da mu dušu prosti

[Velja]

Fascinantno šta je uspeo... Ko god je imao priliku da leti tim sovjetskim putničkim avionima, ljubio je zemlju posle sletanja.

[starac vujadin]

Ovaj avion očito ima neki konstrukcioni propust, koji se tokom vremena ispolji ali neverovatno je da to nisu uspeli da otklone

Treba imati u vidu da je taj avion kao Golf među automobilima...toliko ga ima da je za očekivati da će se dešavati i nesreće. Uz to je već odavno trebalo da bude povučen iz upotrebe, pa je ipak ostao i dalje ga upotrebljavaju...kao Golf 2