Opradava cijenu jer je lik promasio?
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Re: Ratna tehnika
Nije lik promašio nego nije dobro naciljao prvi put, raketa je trebalo da ode u visinu iznad cilja a samo je išla pravo. Nije "lokovao" metu 
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Ne, ne, za prvo gadjanje i promasaj je upotrebljen POVR "Milan", stari sistem vodjen preko kabla.
Za drugo gadjanje i pogodak je upotrebljen Javelin koji je fire and forget, samonavodjen.
Za drugo gadjanje i pogodak je upotrebljen Javelin koji je fire and forget, samonavodjen.
Re: Ratna tehnika
Vidio sam sta pise. Ali kazes svoju cijenu opravdava na snimku, pa koja bi bila razlika da je ispaljena raketa iz drugog Milana (i naravno da je pogodila)?
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A sta da je promasio i drugi put? U tome je poenta, situacija je bila takva da je operater morao da reguje brzo, promasio je, ako je u grupi bio samo jedan Milan, ne bi ni stigao da pripremi drugu raketu za novo gadjanje, u slucaju da je bilo vise lansera, drugi promasaj bi ih kostao zivota.
Sa Javelinom nema promasaja i zato je bitan u ovako kriticnoj situaciji. Jos jedna prednost Javelina je sto operater mora da bude kratko izlozen, da zahvati metu i ispali raketu, posle toga moze odmah da ode u zaklon, raketa ce sama da pogodi. Zamisli da je na ovom snimku terorista imao i vatrenu podrsku, da su pucali na ove, verovatno legionare, operater Milana bi morao da bude izlozen vatri sve vreme dok raketa ne stigne do cilja.
Sa Javelinom nema promasaja i zato je bitan u ovako kriticnoj situaciji. Jos jedna prednost Javelina je sto operater mora da bude kratko izlozen, da zahvati metu i ispali raketu, posle toga moze odmah da ode u zaklon, raketa ce sama da pogodi. Zamisli da je na ovom snimku terorista imao i vatrenu podrsku, da su pucali na ove, verovatno legionare, operater Milana bi morao da bude izlozen vatri sve vreme dok raketa ne stigne do cilja.
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Da se malo zabavimo, sta pise elektronska stampa...
http://patriot.rs/srpski-i-ruski-piloti ... lji-video/
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Do sledećih izbora...
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Zvucalo je previse dobro, a znamo ko je to dogovarao u nase ime...
Vrlo verovatno da Rusi cekaju da vide sta ce biti sa centrom u Nisu, iako ne traze nista sto nismo dali vec ovim zapadnjacima, ipak smo mi u situaciji da ne donosimo samostalno politicke odluke.
Vrlo verovatno da Rusi cekaju da vide sta ce biti sa centrom u Nisu, iako ne traze nista sto nismo dali vec ovim zapadnjacima, ipak smo mi u situaciji da ne donosimo samostalno politicke odluke.
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Nevezano za snimke niskog letenja, privukao mi je pažnju opis "Gazele":Cica Maca napisao:Da se malo zabavimo, sta pise elektronska stampa...
http://patriot.rs/srpski-i-ruski-piloti ... lji-video/
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An F-35 pilot explains why Russia and China's counterstealth can't stop him
Alex Lockie
May 15, 2017, 1:18 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-rus ... lth-2017-5
Ever since the US used F-117s in 1991 to rock Baghdad, at the time one of the world's most defended cities, Soviets and other potential US adversaries have been studying up on how to counter stealth jets.
Later, over Serbia, an F-117 was shot down, forever souring the image of so-called invisible aircraft that have for decades been on top of the US Air Force's agenda.
Today, Russia and China have built impressive arrays of very high frequency, or VHF, and other integrated radars that can spot even the US's most advanced and stealthy jets like the F-22 and the F-35 under the right circumstances.
While many have rushed to declare stealth a fruitless and expensive path for the US Air Force to walk, retired Marine Maj. Dan Flatley told Business Insider why pilots of America's most expensive weapons system weren't afraid of Russian or Chinese counterstealth.
"Adversaries have to build a kill chain," said Flatley, a former F-35 pilot. Just because a radar can find an object — and Russian VHF radars can spot F-35s — doesn't mean it can fix, track, target, and consummate that kill chain with a missile hit, he said.
"We're not trying to prevent every aspect of that chain, just snap one of those links," Flatley said.
So while an infrared search and tracking system could spot an F-35 and give enemy pilots an idea of where it is, it couldn't track it or target it with a missile. This means that the systems Russia and China have spent millions developing provide only a tiny glimpse of the F-35 — systems that may be sunk costs in the grand scheme of things.
"I don't need to stop everything all the time," Flatley said of the kill chain. "I just need to make you unable to finish what you've already invested tons of time and money and effort in trying to shoot me down."
"That's the thing people don't understand," Flatley said. "They think we're saying we're invisible to everyone all the time, at all bandwidths and energy levels. ... That's not what we're saying."
Flatley says F-35 pilots joke that only Wonder Woman has an invisible jet. The reality is that the F-35 is a huge piece of flying metal and alloy — a radar pointed at the right place at the right time will definitely spot it, but good luck shooting it down.
Meanwhile, as the enemy systems scour the skies for any trace of the F-35, the F-35 sees all of those radar emissions and can pinpoint the air defenses and enemy planes.
Where legacy planes had to choose between lethality and survivability on a mission, the F-35 can do four, 16, or even 32 things at a time, meaning that while air and ground threats look for the stealth jet, the F-35 can drop bombs to smash them, according to Flatley.
"We're extraordinarily confident in what we believe the performance of this jet is, and we have a lot of data and material to back that stuff up," Flatley said.
So while the Russians' propaganda may boast that they can see F-35s, it may be a response to a platform that has rendered parts of their battle plan irrelevant.
The F-35 was built to penetrate the most guarded airspaces in the world and get the job done. While the enemy hasn't been standing still, making great progress toward countering the F-35, Flatley says he's sure the US can carry out its mission on its terms.
"The expectation is that the F-35 will operate in a scenario against air and surface defense systems — and that's an expectation that the American taxpayer and public should have," Flatley said. He also acknowledged the effort the US has put behind the F-35 as a stealth penetrator and was resolute in that "we're not going to waste it."
Alex Lockie
May 15, 2017, 1:18 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/f-35-rus ... lth-2017-5
Ever since the US used F-117s in 1991 to rock Baghdad, at the time one of the world's most defended cities, Soviets and other potential US adversaries have been studying up on how to counter stealth jets.
Later, over Serbia, an F-117 was shot down, forever souring the image of so-called invisible aircraft that have for decades been on top of the US Air Force's agenda.
Today, Russia and China have built impressive arrays of very high frequency, or VHF, and other integrated radars that can spot even the US's most advanced and stealthy jets like the F-22 and the F-35 under the right circumstances.
While many have rushed to declare stealth a fruitless and expensive path for the US Air Force to walk, retired Marine Maj. Dan Flatley told Business Insider why pilots of America's most expensive weapons system weren't afraid of Russian or Chinese counterstealth.
"Adversaries have to build a kill chain," said Flatley, a former F-35 pilot. Just because a radar can find an object — and Russian VHF radars can spot F-35s — doesn't mean it can fix, track, target, and consummate that kill chain with a missile hit, he said.
"We're not trying to prevent every aspect of that chain, just snap one of those links," Flatley said.
So while an infrared search and tracking system could spot an F-35 and give enemy pilots an idea of where it is, it couldn't track it or target it with a missile. This means that the systems Russia and China have spent millions developing provide only a tiny glimpse of the F-35 — systems that may be sunk costs in the grand scheme of things.
"I don't need to stop everything all the time," Flatley said of the kill chain. "I just need to make you unable to finish what you've already invested tons of time and money and effort in trying to shoot me down."
"That's the thing people don't understand," Flatley said. "They think we're saying we're invisible to everyone all the time, at all bandwidths and energy levels. ... That's not what we're saying."
Flatley says F-35 pilots joke that only Wonder Woman has an invisible jet. The reality is that the F-35 is a huge piece of flying metal and alloy — a radar pointed at the right place at the right time will definitely spot it, but good luck shooting it down.
Meanwhile, as the enemy systems scour the skies for any trace of the F-35, the F-35 sees all of those radar emissions and can pinpoint the air defenses and enemy planes.
Where legacy planes had to choose between lethality and survivability on a mission, the F-35 can do four, 16, or even 32 things at a time, meaning that while air and ground threats look for the stealth jet, the F-35 can drop bombs to smash them, according to Flatley.
"We're extraordinarily confident in what we believe the performance of this jet is, and we have a lot of data and material to back that stuff up," Flatley said.
So while the Russians' propaganda may boast that they can see F-35s, it may be a response to a platform that has rendered parts of their battle plan irrelevant.
The F-35 was built to penetrate the most guarded airspaces in the world and get the job done. While the enemy hasn't been standing still, making great progress toward countering the F-35, Flatley says he's sure the US can carry out its mission on its terms.
"The expectation is that the F-35 will operate in a scenario against air and surface defense systems — and that's an expectation that the American taxpayer and public should have," Flatley said. He also acknowledged the effort the US has put behind the F-35 as a stealth penetrator and was resolute in that "we're not going to waste it."
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Here's why thermal imaging can't stop the F-22 or the F-35 ... 
Alex Lockie
Aug. 25, 2016, 12:45 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/irst-can ... -35-2016-8
The US has spent decades, and hundreds of billions of dollars, on developing "fifth-generation" low-observable aircraft, such as the F-22 and F-35, but recently a couple of thermal images have cast doubt on whether or not these planes are actually as invisible as they claim to be.
At the Royal International Air Tattoo airshow in England last month, a EC-135 Eurocopter took a detailed thermal image of an F-22, which looked like a big, juicy, $150 million target.
The F-22 as seen through the thermal camera of an EC-135.
The F-35 as seen through a Star SAFIRE 380-HDc imaging system.
In mid August, a Star SAFIRE 380-HDc imaging system developed by FLIR showed the $100 million F-35B as plain as day. Both of these planes have done a great job of limiting their visibility to traditional radars, but these images show that thermal imaging can be a real threat.
According to Justin Bronk, a Research Fellow specializing in combat airpower at the Royal United Services Institute, infrared search and track (IRST) systems have proliferated to modern air forces the world over.
An IRST sensor pod on a Russian Su-27.
"IRST looks for temperature differences using liquid hydrogen or nitrogen to cool the sensor to extremely low temperatures which provides a contrast to the outside. Then it relies on the fact that the air is very cold (at altitude) and any fighter airframe moving through the air at several hundred knots, or particularly supersonic, heats up a lot so temperature difference is huge," Bronk told Business Insider.
Furthermore, the last decade or so has brought phenomenal improvements in computing power in algorithms, meaning that IRST systems can now filter out false positives and do an excellent job of passively scanning the skies for large, hot, and fast moving targets.
In particular, the Eurofighter Typhoon's IRST abilities are uncanny. The Typhoon can spot "astonishingly small points of heat at long distance," according to Bronk, who joked that it could see a "campfire on the moon."
"In theory, state of the art IRST could find and track F-22 at quite long range," said Bronk, who went on to explain that stealth planes are generally bigger requiring larger wings to create more lift.
Even worse, the radar-absorbing materials these planes are coated in "heat up quickly" leading to a "good infrared return even if the jet exhaust is shrouded"
Nearly invisible to radar and the naked eye, the F-22 still trains an incredible stream of heat.
But aerial combat does not take place in theory.
The fact is, even with some of the best IRST in the world, there is no way a Typhoon would know where to find the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
"You still have to know where to look," said Bronk, which would be "almost impossible."
First off, there is an "enormous amounts of clutter and all sorts of Air Force missile threats in any contested environment."
Secondly, IRST is hugely affected by weather. Humid parts of the world are inhospitable, and the thermal imaging works better at night when the skies are cooler.
But even on a good day, looking for fifth-generation aircraft in the open skies with IRST is like "looking through a drinking straw," said Bronk.
"The [IRST] field of regard is quite small... and it's much much harder to perform a wide sector scan in a way that a radar can," said Bronk.
Eurofighter Typhoon's would have to know exactly what part of the sky to look at to find the F-22.
Meanwhile, stealth is only one strength of fifth generation aircraft. The situational awareness of an F-35 or F-22 represents another, arguably more important, asset.
"Stealth makes it difficult to find the plane, but mainly grants freedom of movement," said Bronk.
Using that freedom, the fifth generation planes can chose to "avoid them, engage them, or position themselves in a engagement on their terms."
So while the legacy aircraft of other nations can scan the skies through a drinking straw, the US fifth-gens can sense a drop of blood miles out like a shark.
Alex Lockie
Aug. 25, 2016, 12:45 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/irst-can ... -35-2016-8
The US has spent decades, and hundreds of billions of dollars, on developing "fifth-generation" low-observable aircraft, such as the F-22 and F-35, but recently a couple of thermal images have cast doubt on whether or not these planes are actually as invisible as they claim to be.
At the Royal International Air Tattoo airshow in England last month, a EC-135 Eurocopter took a detailed thermal image of an F-22, which looked like a big, juicy, $150 million target.
The F-22 as seen through the thermal camera of an EC-135.
The F-35 as seen through a Star SAFIRE 380-HDc imaging system.
In mid August, a Star SAFIRE 380-HDc imaging system developed by FLIR showed the $100 million F-35B as plain as day. Both of these planes have done a great job of limiting their visibility to traditional radars, but these images show that thermal imaging can be a real threat.
According to Justin Bronk, a Research Fellow specializing in combat airpower at the Royal United Services Institute, infrared search and track (IRST) systems have proliferated to modern air forces the world over.
An IRST sensor pod on a Russian Su-27.
"IRST looks for temperature differences using liquid hydrogen or nitrogen to cool the sensor to extremely low temperatures which provides a contrast to the outside. Then it relies on the fact that the air is very cold (at altitude) and any fighter airframe moving through the air at several hundred knots, or particularly supersonic, heats up a lot so temperature difference is huge," Bronk told Business Insider.
Furthermore, the last decade or so has brought phenomenal improvements in computing power in algorithms, meaning that IRST systems can now filter out false positives and do an excellent job of passively scanning the skies for large, hot, and fast moving targets.
In particular, the Eurofighter Typhoon's IRST abilities are uncanny. The Typhoon can spot "astonishingly small points of heat at long distance," according to Bronk, who joked that it could see a "campfire on the moon."
"In theory, state of the art IRST could find and track F-22 at quite long range," said Bronk, who went on to explain that stealth planes are generally bigger requiring larger wings to create more lift.
Even worse, the radar-absorbing materials these planes are coated in "heat up quickly" leading to a "good infrared return even if the jet exhaust is shrouded"
Nearly invisible to radar and the naked eye, the F-22 still trains an incredible stream of heat.
But aerial combat does not take place in theory.
The fact is, even with some of the best IRST in the world, there is no way a Typhoon would know where to find the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
"You still have to know where to look," said Bronk, which would be "almost impossible."
First off, there is an "enormous amounts of clutter and all sorts of Air Force missile threats in any contested environment."
Secondly, IRST is hugely affected by weather. Humid parts of the world are inhospitable, and the thermal imaging works better at night when the skies are cooler.
But even on a good day, looking for fifth-generation aircraft in the open skies with IRST is like "looking through a drinking straw," said Bronk.
"The [IRST] field of regard is quite small... and it's much much harder to perform a wide sector scan in a way that a radar can," said Bronk.
Eurofighter Typhoon's would have to know exactly what part of the sky to look at to find the F-22.
Meanwhile, stealth is only one strength of fifth generation aircraft. The situational awareness of an F-35 or F-22 represents another, arguably more important, asset.
"Stealth makes it difficult to find the plane, but mainly grants freedom of movement," said Bronk.
Using that freedom, the fifth generation planes can chose to "avoid them, engage them, or position themselves in a engagement on their terms."
So while the legacy aircraft of other nations can scan the skies through a drinking straw, the US fifth-gens can sense a drop of blood miles out like a shark.
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Altius M, ruski dron
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ISIS gunner shoots his own vehicle, spraying the driver and front passenger with shrapnel.
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There's nothing worse than making your hand and losing it all, because you were drawing dead to start with.
