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zuzazu napisao: 29 Okt 2018, 08:17Zivo me zanima flight experience kapetana i prvog oficira.

The captain has 6,000 flight hours and the co-pilot has more than 5,000 flight hours.

Problem od prethodnog dana:

Airspeed unreliable and alt disagree shown after take off. STS was also running to the wrong direction, suspected because of speed difference. Identified that CAPT instrument was unreliable and handover control to FO. Continue NNC of Airspeed Unreliable and ALT disagree. Decide to continue flying to CGK at FL280, landed safely rwy 25L

Rano je i nezahvalno sada nagadjati sta je bilo.
Imao sam let sa MAXom gde su se desile najcudnovatije stvari. Boeing je poslao svoje inzenjere u svaku firmu koja je uzela MAXa i koji prikupljaju i analiziraju primedbe i kvarove na dnevnoj bazi.
U karijeri, Bogu dragom hvala, nikada nisam imao problem sa airspeed unreliable.
Mozda jeste ovo od dan ranije, a mozda i nije.
Indikativno je da su 6 minuta leteli a da nisu drzali tacnu visinu, i vide se velike promene vertikalne brzine gde pred pad vertikalna brzina ide u enormni plus i onda se (normalno) vidi negativan v/s (vertical speed).
Cak i da mu ne rade insteumenti, posto je bio dan (ako nije bio u oblacima) i ako je video liniju horizonta, mogao je da zakljuci da mu je ugao penjanja nenormalan.
Takodje, pad brzine prati prestanak sustanja vazduha (a Boeing je jako bucan u kokpitu), sto je prvi znak da nesto ne valja.
U avionu cesto nisu dovoljne samo oci, vec su pozeljne i usi.
Veliki broj kolega koristi slusalice sa noise reduction sistemom. Na taj nacin, svi zvukovi sem glasa kontrolora su eliminisani a culo sluha neiskoristeno. Ja sam ih koristio par puta i ostavio u fioci jer sa njima ne mozes da se cuje ni kada iskoci osigurac iza ledja.

Pred sam pad vertikalna brzina je bila nesto tipa -30.000 feeta u minuti, to kao da je uradio nosedive. Avion je dostavljen u Avgustu, znaci par meseci star samo. Bas me zanima sta je uzrok, mada Indonezija i nije bas neki epitom bezbednosti sto se tice bilo cega, gledam sad ove spasilacke brodove, lik na brodu koji izvlaci krhotine i to ide bos po brodu....

P.S. Pise da su piloti zatrazili da se vrate na aerodrom u jednom trenutku ali nisu rekli razlog niti proglasili emergency. Posle toga je ATC izgubio kontakt.

Hyderabad: piloti Indigo Airlines poleteli bez goriva u avionu

Hyderabad: Avion Indigo Airlines koji je bio na letu prema Hyderabadu (sa 160 putnika), u ponedjeljak je napravio emergency sletanje na međunarodni aerodrom Chandigarh, kada je pilot zaboravio dopuniti avion gorivom.


https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/ ... plane.html

ili su:

- preumorni

ili su:

- teski idioti

8 aviona uništenih za 18 godina i to bez cerki-firmi

January 14, 2002
737-200 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Takeoff accident due to incorrect flap configuration

November 30, 2004
MD82 - 25 Fatalities - Aircraft Destroyed
Landing runway excursion. Aircraft hydroplaned.

March 4, 2006
MD-82 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing runway excursion. Left reverser was listed as INOP. Reverse thrust used on landing causing the aircraft to veer.

December 24, 2006
737-400 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing accident. Incorrect flap setting and the aircraft was not aligned with the runway.

March 9, 2009
MD90 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing runway excursion. The pilots continued with a non-stabilized approach. Only one reverser opened, causing the aircraft to pivot around the nose off of the runway.

November 2, 2010
737-400 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Written Off
Landing runway excursion. Non-stable approach, speed brakes not used until 42 seconds after touchdown.

April 13, 2013
737-800 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Destroyed
Landed short due to unstable approach.

August 6, 2013
737-800 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Damaged and Repaired
Landing excursion. Aircraft hit cows on the runway and veered off as a result of trying to avoid them.

February 1, 2014
737-900 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Damaged and Repaired
Hard landing resulting in tire damage and a tail strike. Four bounces before the impact.

February 20, 2016
737-900 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Not Damaged
Runway excursion. Late touchdown, delayed spoiler deployment, thrust levers not at idle position, and late of brake application. Aircraft came to a stop with the nose gear 1 metre past the end of the threshold.

April 29, 2018
737-800 - 0 Fatalities - Aircraft Damaged and Repaired
Runway excursion. Heavy rain was reported as they touched down and veered off to the left of the runway.

October 29, 2018
737-MAX8 - 189 Fatalities (Not confirmed) - Aircraft Destroyed
Aircraft crashed into water shortly after takeoff.

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zuzazu napisao: 23 Okt 2018, 11:18

speedy stikis napisao: 21 Okt 2018, 12:35

zuzazu napisao: 21 Okt 2018, 12:32
A o ''pilotkinji'' u avionu mislim isto sto i mornari o ''mornarkinji'' na brodu

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Pilots suspended after their aircraft nearly ran out of fuel because they'd forgotten to bring up the landing gear

Two Air India pilots have been grounded after their aircraft nearly ran out of fuel - because they’d forgotten to retract the landing gear.

The Airbus A320, with 99 passengers on board, took off last Saturday from Kolkata, bound for Mumbai, but with the wheels affecting the aerodynamics it burned excessive quantities of fuel.

It wasn’t able to climb above 24,000 feet nor accelerate beyond 265mph, when it should have been able to cruise at 35,000 to 37,000 feet and reach 520mph.

The two pilots were oblivious to the landing wheels being down and diverted to Nagpur when the fuel ran low, it was reported.

It was when they tried to lower the landing gear as they prepared to land that they realised it was already down.

A spokesman for Air India told the paper that the two female pilots have been suspended.

Njih dve su poletele i skontale da avion nesto nece da penje. nije hteo preko FL240 I ondak bace pogled na gorivo, a gorivo ide ko ludo.
''Jbt, da nam ne curi gorivo?'' u trac-pauzi primeti jedna pilotkinja.
''Aj sletimo, pa ce da nastavimo da opanjkavamo posle...'' odgovori kapetanica aviona.

I one na sletanje - da izvade tockove, kad skontaju da ih nisu ni uvukli posle poletanja....


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/trav ... -gear.html

Jbg, ako ne vezes pojas, auto se dere
I za ovo bi trebalo da postoji neki warning

Postoji warning naravno. Plus, ne treba ti warning da primetis da su ti tockovi spusteni. Avion ce biti tromiji, cuje se sustanje vazduha vise ako se ne varam kad su spusteni tockovi, drag je mnogo veci, sporije ce da ubrzava i da se penje. Apsolutno mi nije jasno kako su uspele ovo da izvedu. Prva stvar kod poletanja kada imas positive climb je GEAR UP. I pilot koji radi monitoring podigne stajni trap gore. Neverovatno.

Sto je najgore, znaci da nisu nisu radile ni check listu. Hawk, nema warninga za gear up, ali postoji ''after take off check list'' gde je uvek jedna od stvari ''gear up''. Cinjenica je da im sa ispustenim tockovima svetle tri zelena svetla koja ne bi trebalo da svetle u tom momentu, ali je warning vizuelni (zuto ili crveno svetlo) i/ili zvucni (sirena).


Za sve ostalo si u pravu. Izuzev sto im je ispred nosa, na centralnom panelu, stilizovana rucica stajnog trapa (koja im je ostala na dole, gde joj mesto nije), tu su jos: podrhtavanje konstrukcije aviona (koje sa povecanjem brzine zna da bude vrlo neprijatno), i visoka potrosnja goriva usled otpora (a trap je najveci otpor na avionu). Normalno, smanjenje performansi u letu, Nisu ni shvatile zasto avion ne moze da penje i ubrza, mislile su da je kvar na motorima (to mi rece drugar koji radi u Indiji), pa su zbog toga krenule na sletanje, a kada su pred sletanje htele da istresu tockove - shvatile su da ih nisu ni uvukle.

Jebeni horor. Amaterke pozerke. Kladim se da im je Insgm pun slika iz kabine. Samo strah u kosti da mi uteraju, a taman sam se opustio

Ko na autu da ti je povucena rucna i ne kapiras.

Pass, ne brini previše oko stvari na koje ne možeš da utices
Ipak je EU malo drugačija po pitanju bezbednosti

Nastavi da budes opusten, u bezbednim si rukama...

Grujo, ne brinem za bezbednost koju je EU organizovala, procedure I zakone. Brinu me.piloti koji ne uvuku trapove. I ja što neam pojma o avionima, pa znam da treba uvući trapove po poletanju.