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[Xepoj87]

Autonomna voznja nije ni blizu realnosti.

Posto konstantno velicate i branite nesto o cemu pojma nemate i ocigledno necete da potrosite 15 minuta svog vremena da se informisete, evo ovde cu da quoteujem i eto, barem ovo procitajte, ako vec necete nista detaljnije da guglate, pa da zavrsimo pricu o autonomnoj voznji, koja je jako daleko od realnosti:

I checked out Tesla's Autopilot — and there's no way it can drive a car by itself

Matthew DeBord

Jun. 20, 2017, 5:43 PM

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The car isn't actually moving.Matthew DeBord/BI

The National Transportation Safety Board has released some additional details about a fatal Tesla Model S Autopilot crash in May 2016.

One of the findings was alarming. According to the NTSB, an agency that rarely investigates auto accidents and usually spends years delving into plane crashes, during the last 41 minutes of the driver's trip, the Model S was in Autopilot for 37.5 minutes, and he had his hands off the wheel for a total of 37 minutes while the car was in Autopilot.

The NTSB also found that the Model S displayed the visual warning "hold steering wheel" seven times during the trip. Six of those were followed by "auditory warnings."

As it turns out, I gathered some experience with Autopilot. Last year, Tesla loaned me a Model S P90D with the latest everything. We used it to take a trip to the Catskills, in upstate New York. It was quite an adventure, and the car performed well, but ...

What was Autopilot like?
It was very advanced cruise control — and to Tesla's credit, it has become more advanced since I explored it. When it's fully activated, auto-steering allows the driver to take their hands off the wheel for short periods, although Tesla has repeatedly stressed that drivers shouldn't do this. And when you activate the technology, a warning presents itself on the instrument cluster.

These are the warnings that the driver, Joshua Brown, may not have followed. To address that issue, Tesla has updated the software so that if you ignore them, Autopilot will deactivate for the remainder of your journey.

But here's the real deal: Warnings or not, you absolutely, positively shouldn't take your hands off the wheel. Ever.

The technology is good, but after using it for only about 15 minutes on the highway, I found it abundantly clear that Autopilot is a long, long way from the magical experience of a car driving itself. Or even steering itself.

Business Insider had an early look at Autopilot, right after it was released in a software update. I went for it and avidly took my hands off the wheel. But we were in the vehicle for only a short time.

Tesla Model S autopilot
Don't do this.Benjamin Zhang/Business Insider

As we used Autopilot for a longer drive, however, it rapidly became obvious that the system does exactly what Tesla says it will do: guide the car through its lane, change lanes, and monitor surrounding traffic to avoid collisions and activate braking.

It doesn't do anything else.

Hands on the wheel!
My opinion of Autopilot is entirely my own and not based on exhaustive or even remotely scientific testing. But I now think that the accidents that have occurred while the technology was activated were the result of drivers not making a rational evaluation of Autopilot's capabilities.

I couldn't get comfortable keeping my hands near the wheel or hovering them close by. I wanted my hands on the wheel at all times, and I think any reasonably experienced driver should feel the same way.

Beyond that, Autopilot requires monitoring. You must pay attention to what the system is doing to determine if it's sensible to leave it on. It demands more, not less, of the driver's attention.

I've watched some of the Autopilot videos Brown made before the fatal crash. It looks to me as if he was trying to push the envelope on what the system could do, consistently placing himself in a position to have to get his hands back on the wheel — and probably also on the brakes, deactivating Autopilot — to retain control of the vehicle.

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Autopilot in action.Tesla

I've been driving for over 30 years, and because of what I do for a living, I get to sample all the latest and greatest automotive technologies. I don't consider myself an expert driver, but I do consider myself able to assess what one should and shouldn't do with all the advanced cruise-control systems in the market.

But the thing is that cruise control has been with us for decades. Most drivers understand what it can and can't do. And although Autopilot is the most significant advancement in cruise control that I've ever seen, it merely points at a distant moment when drivers will be able to switch off their attention and trust that their car's brain, sensors, and radars will make better decisions.

I'm baffled
Frankly, I'm baffled that anyone would misunderstand this about Autopilot, even if Tesla has gone too far in talking up Autopilot as a preview of the future.

You're in control of your evaluations of new technologies. When you're talking about a vehicle of several thousand pounds hurtling along a roadway at over 60 mph, a simple, nearly intuitive grasp of physics would tell you that your attention should be focused on Autopilot, with hands on the wheel, more so than in a vehicle that uses less advanced tech.

Tesla autopilot
Autopilot is activated by pulling this stalk toward you twice.Tesla

If this sounds as if I'm blaming owners for how they handle Autopilot, rather than holding Tesla accountable for releasing the tech in a "beta" version and using the owners as a test group, well, so be it.

You're not a sheep, and you don't have to be a guinea pig.

You're a driver in charge of your vehicle, and if you have a license and any time behind the wheel, then you ought to be able to figure out what's safe and what isn't — particularly if you've been informed by Tesla that you are assisting in perfecting a new technology.

When I reached out to Tesla for some additional insight into how it educates owners about Autopilot, the company said its owners manual contains a list of adverse circumstances that, in my reading, would compel any reasonable driver to deactivate an old-school cruise-control system, much less far more advanced yet still unproven tech.

It's a car. You're not going to be relieved of the responsibility for driving it anytime soon.

Tesla also stressed that Autopilot isn't actually about the car driving itself, but making driving safer.

"We are continuously and proactively enhancing our vehicles with the latest advanced safety technology," a Tesla representative said in a statement at the time.

Tesla Model X
Tesla CEO Elon Musk speaking during an event to launch the new Tesla Model X crossover SUV.Justin Sullivan/Getty Images

The rep added:

"This is why we've taken the approach of including Autopilot hardware in all of our vehicles and continually advancing the software through robust analysis of hundreds of millions of miles of driving data, behind-the-scenes iteration, and over-the-air activation of features already proven to be safer on the net over tens of millions of miles.

"Today's Autopilot features are designed to provide a hands-on experience to give drivers more confidence behind the wheel, increase their safety on the road, and make highway driving more enjoyable. ... Autopilot is by far the most advanced such system on the road, but it does not turn a Tesla into an autonomous vehicle and does not allow the driver to abdicate responsibility."

What should Tesla do?
In fairness, Tesla has been saying this all along. It is drivers who've taken their experience with the technology too far. But what Tesla owners now need to do is remember that although Tesla's vehicles are impressive, they aren't sentient, rolling androids. We are still a driving species. And we will be for a while.

Evo i Mercedesovog sistema, koji sve identicno radi kao Teslin, osim sto umesto 1 radara napred, ima jos jedan pozadi, pa prepoznaje brzinu kojom se vozila iza krecu, pa da recimo ne promeni traku ako se neko vozilo znatno brze krece od vas.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/first-ride ... than-ever/

A velika je verovatnoca da ce i C klasa dobiti drive pilot kada budu izbacivali restyle:
http://blog.caranddriver.com/heres-john ... s-driving/

[nidza]

I dalje nisam dobio odgovor na pitanje. Uopšte nije važno da li će Tesla biti profitabilna, ako iz nekog drugog izvora vraća zajam, sa kamatom, a do sad je vraćao bez problema.

Jasno sam pitao koji to automobil postoji kao alternativa Modelu 3? Prototipovi me ne zanimaju.

Google će takođe da bude igrač, u to ne sumnjam, ali trenutno nije.

Ne treba meni električni auto, ni autonomija, ni ušteda, više vama treba u klasama gde vam auto sve sam radi. Izolovan motor, automatski menjač, vazdušno ogibljenje, milion senzora, koči sam, ubrzava sam, samo volan vrtiš. Meni se to ne dopada, ali se neću boriti protiv toga, radije ću otići u drugu krajnost, a za zabavu naći nešto drugo.

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[Xepoj87]

Tesla 3 je alternativa normalnim automobilima, a da bi ga prodavali za 44k, sve ostalo je na nivou Dacie.

To pitanje ti je kao da ja tebe pitam, koju Teslu ja mogu da kupim kao alternativu C200 kabrioletu, ne mora nista skuplje...i na osnovu nedostatka slicnog motora i modela, zakljucim da je Tesla govno i da nista nisu napravili da valja.

A za ovo drugo pojma nemam sa kime se ti grudvas, ali si ocigledno omasio igraliste.

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[ljuba]

Bas to i ja pomislih. Šta je alternativa životu u bogatstvu

Bolje živjeti 100 godina kao milioner, nego 7 dana u bijedi.

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[nidza]

Xepoj, C200 kabriolet je baš pravi odgovor na moje pitanje. Nema veze, ne moraš ništa da odgovoriš.

Ljubo, čovek može biti bogat na mnogo načina. Prosto nekome nije važno da se vozi u Mercedesu kabrio, nekome jeste. Svako ima svoje snove, ne sanjaju svi materijalne stvari.

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[Xepoj87]

Moje pitanje je retardirano koliko i tvoje i zaista nema poente.
Moze jos jedno, koju Teslu D segmemta mogu da kupim za 30k eura, sa vazdusnim ogibljenjem?

Govoris da ja pricam hipoteticki, a ja sam samo cinjenice i informacije sa internet sajtova iznosio.
Problem je kada se to nekome ne svidja, pa pocne sve to da se zanemaruje i iznose netacne ostrascene pretpostavke kao kontra argumenti.

Tipa, "f cell je slepo crevo autoindustrije, elektro automobili su buducnost".

Ali te "prototipovi" ne zanimaju, sto govori da te ne zanima buducnost automobilske industrije, a u isto vreme pricas kako ti je bas to bitno.
Dodatno ne znas da Mercedes nema ni prototip elektricnog automobila D segmenta.


Na kraju, koje gluposti ti izgovaras za bogatstvo i materijalne stvari u temi o jako skupim automobilima na koje se lozis.

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[Milos]

Jao Ilone Masku sta uradi , sto zavadi Srbe ?

[miki_28]

Jao Ilone Masku sta uradi , sto zavadi Srbe ?

Dao je ime kompaniji po Srbinu

[nidza]

Xepoj, prototip ne mogu da kupim. Smanji izvrtanje više, kako se ne umoriš.

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[Floyd]

Ne možeš ni 3 još uvek da kupiš

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[Xepoj87]

Pa, s obzirom da je ceo ugao price iz kog nastupas, totalno smesan, tako cu i da ti odgovaram. Kada se ozbiljno ukljucis u pricu i zapravo se barem informises o osnovnim principima onoga o cemu ovde uporno diskutujes, mogu i da ti odgovaram bez ismevanja i izvrtanja.
I to je pocetak, a onda da pocnes da baratas cinjenicama, umesto isfantaziranom fascinacijom.

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[nidza]

Koja mi to dodatna činjenica treba da bih odabrao danas auto u segmentu?

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[Xepoj87]

Za pocetak je osnovno da saznas sta je BEV i sta je FEV, te i da su oba EV.
Prvi je Battery Electric Vehicle, a drugi je Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle.
Oba su, jel te, elektricna vozila.

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[nidza]

Zbog čega mi je to bitna informacija? Da li se oba pune na električnu mrežu?

Ideja sledeća, porodičan auto, D segment, cena oko 40k eura. Puni se u garaži celu noć, pokriva mi odlazak do posla i kraće izlete u radijusu od 300km.